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Got asked for ideas for a Christmas present...I think I want some new brakies.

Old 11-18-11, 02:51 PM
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Got asked for ideas for a Christmas present...I think I want some new brakies.

I really, really love my 2011 Specialized Hardrock. But I'm getting pretty tired of the Avid BB5's on it. Ever since I bought it about 4 months ago, I've ridden it basically whenever the weather has been good, and the brakes have needed adjustment every time, and they generally fade when the riding gets rough. And I keep trying to straighten the front but it just keeps feeling like it goes back out of true and it bothers the hell out of me.

Of course the benefit of this is that I am now quite well experienced on servicing MTB discs


But yeah, I think I want some higher quality, mechanical brakes. Really don't have a clue where to look though.
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Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
...I want some higher quality, mechanical brakes. Really don't have a clue where to look though.
Avid BB7s are top mechanicals out there.
Available most everywhere you get bike stuff: LBS, online sites, etc...
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You want hydros. I don't think you'll find a mech that's a significant enough improvement over the BB5 to be worth the upgrade.
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Old 11-18-11, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
Avid BB7s are top mechanicals out there.
Available most everywhere you get bike stuff: LBS, online sites, etc...
what's the difference between those and the BB5's?
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get the shimano xt trail brakes. yes, i know they are not mechanical, they are hydraulic, but they are so sweeeet. they feel great, installation is a snap, they come pre-bled and do not need bleeding, they are wonderful, and they aren't that expensive (relatively). they are worth it, seriously.
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
You want hydros. I don't think you'll find a mech that's a significant enough improvement over the BB5 to be worth the upgrade.
what are some good hydros? I really don't know much about them and wouldn't want something on the low end. Something midrange that works well and is reliable.

read between the lines: not too expensive
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Old 11-18-11, 03:32 PM
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Okay, I'll look into hydros.

However, should there be any concerns about using them in the winter? I do love me some snow riding.
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Hayes Prime. Worth what they are.
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Originally Posted by pablosnazzy View Post
get the shimano xt trail brakes. yes, i know they are not mechanical, they are hydraulic, but they are so sweeeet. they feel great, installation is a snap, they come pre-bled and do not need bleeding, they are wonderful, and they aren't that expensive (relatively). they are worth it, seriously.
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Yes +1
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Or the M666 SLX brakes(also uses the ice technology and is prebleed.)
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Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
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Or the M666 SLX brakes(also uses the ice technology and is prebleed.)
These look good. I like the other suggestions but the Shimano XT's and the Hayes Prime seem kind of high in price. But maybe I'm not seeing the right prices? Neither website shows the msrp of their components so it's hard to say.
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Stopped at one my LBS's today (there are a lot in my area) and just asked around about hydros. Guy showed some me SRAM Elixers. He seemed keen on them. And they weren't even the most expensive brakes they had, so that seemed like a good sign. Thoughts?
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Old 11-22-11, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
Stopped at one my LBS's today (there are a lot in my area) and just asked around about hydros. Guy showed some me SRAM Elixers. He seemed keen on them. And they weren't even the most expensive brakes they had, so that seemed like a good sign. Thoughts?
Sooo any thoughts?
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elixirs are good brakes.
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Elixirs are decent. They have good stopping power, but the modulation isn't up there with some of the competition - they also use the CPS washer system, which I think can lead to setup/alignment issues. Avids are also known to be noisy, but with proper setup, that can be handled most of the time.

They might not be the most expensive brakes that the LBS had, but they may have had the greatest profit margins - I dunno.

Lots of good brakes out there from Shimano, Magura, Hope, Avid, and Formula. My current favorites being the Magura MT8 and the Hope Tech M4's(both of which I currently own; have the Elixir CR's too). I'm sure Hayes also makes a solid brake, but I have limited hands on experience with those.
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I haven't used Elixirs, but I've heard good things about them both in online reviews & from users/mods on this site. I'm considering replacing my front Juicy 3 with an Elixir setup this Christmas. I was recommended Elixirs or Hayes Stroker Rydes by Ed...Elixirs for those who prefer a gradual brake pull for easier modulation, or Strokers for those who prefer that instant grab feeling. I'm still looking into Hayes Primes, which are Doug's [already mentioned] go-to brakes.
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More good replies. Much appreciated.

Looked on ebay for deals, probably will continue to do so.

This looks pretty good. Of course I'm just trying to gauge what deals I should look for. I'm also looking at the elixirs.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Shimano-...item2a1600a66f
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That's not bad deal at all.

Here are the SLX M665's for $98.98 w/ rotors and adapters: https://www.blueskycycling.com/produc...-%26-Rotor.htm

The newly redesigned XT brakes: https://www.blueskycycling.com/produc...-%26-Rotor.htm

Keep in mind that the brakes from Blueskycycling could be OEM - even though they don't advertise them as such.

Deals from Pricepoint:

Magura Louise 2011

Hayes Stroker Ace


Avid Elixir R

Lots of good deals on brakes right now...makes me almost want to grab a new set to try out.

Also might want to think about rotor size and adapters you may need. Assuming the Hardrock is a 26er, 160mm rotors front and rear should cover it - if it is a 29er, I would recommend a 180/185 up front.
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Originally Posted by ESW116 View Post
what's the difference between those and the BB5's?
I've used both and there seems to be a great deal of difference. Both my bb5 calipers failed after 13 months. They have a crappy thin coil spring inside them that snaps. Also I had to adjust them regularly.
I was given used bb7's from a friend as a replacement and they lasted for over two years and never failed me. I only had to adjust the pads maybe twice in two years. I don't use them now as I wanted a change, but they were still perfectly ok when I removed them.
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Okay, update. I made the order and got those SLX's from ebay. Seemed like a great deal and the seller has a great feedback score.

Now I have a question about rotors. what actually dictates what size rotor you should get? the ones that came standard on my Hardrock were 160s. What is it that makes somebody want to go up to 180s or 203s?

obviously I ask this because now I have to order rotors.
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You will see a lot of setups with larger rotors up front (185 or more.) Larger rotors mean more stopping power. There is nothing wrong with running 160's but if you are free to set it up as you want I would put a larger rotor in front.
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I got a pair of Shimano XT 6-bolt rotors off of ebay. I at first looked at Avid rotors because they make a lot of 6-bolts, but I read that there are slight differences in Shimano rotors and SRAM rotors involving thickness, so I decided to not bother with any possible issue, so I went with Shimano 6-bolt rotors off of ebay. They were a bit more expensive but not by much.

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The avid rotors would have been fine, I'm having no issues here with an avid rotor in a shimano caliper.
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Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
The avid rotors would have been fine, I'm having no issues here with an avid rotor in a shimano caliper.
yeah I read some stuff from people saying it was fine, with others saying that they had odd wear patterns and things of that nature. so I just thought I'd avoid it.
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