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Old 12-05-11, 11:49 AM
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mountain bike action mag - seriously?

does anyone actually read mountain bike action magazine? if you do read it, do you take it seriously? how many people read it and make decisions based off them? how many people's opinions are shaped by this?

here they are "Testing" the trek slash.

http://www.mbaction.com/Main/News/Te...ideo_4876.aspx

why did they bother going anywhere? for what they did, they could have tested it just as much in their parking lot, perhaps riding off a curb or two. they could have just ridden the thing around their office and gotten the same results.

i think, if you watch the video, at 2:18, 2:13, and 2:16 you can see a rock. wow, amazing and ballsy they did that test without a full face helmet and body armor.

is this the type of terrain most people ride? if so, i can see why everyone wants a rigid 29er. there is no way they can accurately tell what that bike is capable of by riding it like that on that "Test track."

it's just ridiculous. and it scares me, because i know some uninformed person is going to see this, or read whatever they write, and believe what they say, and i will have to deal with that person, who "knows what they are talking about because they saw it in MBA magazine." it doesn't matter if the bike gets a glowing review, how they hell do they really know what that bike can actually do, how do they know the bike's limits?

it's a horrible joke.

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Old 12-05-11, 07:36 PM
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I've called that rag Mountain Bike Fiction since 1993.
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Eh, down here it's more rooty & less rocky, but in whole that looks about the same:


But to answer your question, no, I don't read or get advice from any mountain biking magazines. Never had exposure to them in my area so I never thought to. But I prefer forums to magazines anyway...chances are that people on here read MTB magazines & can relay the information to me if/when I need it. Guess I'm lazy
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I "read" MBA and actually have a subscription. I only have a subscription because it's in english and not German like the ones on the newsstands here. I don't "read" it as much as I look at the pics of bikes and gear. Every once in a while they have a decent tech/wrench article that's useful. Most of the time it's more of paid reviews for high end bikes that are out of reach of most of the biking population unless you're a trust fund kid. /rant

What's wrong with the vid? It's showing the test trail they use to test the bikes. It's a typical SoCal trail and not Fruita. That trail doesn't require a full face helmet and armor. Are you implying that if they don't test bikes in Fruita, or where ever you deem is a legit mountain bike trail, wearing a full face helmet and armor in a vid with aggro music their test and review aint worth it? Pray tell, where is a suitable "test" trail to take bikes out to review them?
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Back in the early 90s I found the MBA $500 bike shootout articles helpful. I liked the big what the pros ride two page spreads. MTBing is pretty fragmented nowadays and most of what's hot in the mags doesn't apply to me so...meh.

Those guys in the video hardly pedaled at all. If they wanna get serious they should probably find runs that are suitable for testing different types of bikes.
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More ladies racing coverage would possibly make me buy an issue from time to time...



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Originally Posted by commo_soulja View Post
Are you implying that if they don't test bikes in Fruita, or where ever you deem is a legit mountain bike trail, wearing a full face helmet and armor in a vid with aggro music their test and review aint worth it?
I can't speak for pablo, but the impression I got was that it's silly to test a high end FS MTB on a smooth trail. Not that there's never need for FS on smoother trails, but if you're gonna write a review over it for a freakin' magazine article, don't you think it'd be worth a trip up to NorCal?
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Originally Posted by commo_soulja View Post
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What's wrong with the vid? It's showing the test trail they use to test the bikes. It's a typical SoCal trail and not Fruita. That trail doesn't require a full face helmet and armor. Are you implying that if they don't test bikes in Fruita, or where ever you deem is a legit mountain bike trail, wearing a full face helmet and armor in a vid with aggro music their test and review aint worth it? Pray tell, where is a suitable "test" trail to take bikes out to review them?

what samburger said...

to honestly test a 6 inch travel mountain bike, they need to ride it like a 6 inch travel bike and use it the way it was meant to be used, the way people who buy it are going to use it. yes, they need to ride it on smooth stuff, but they also need to ride it up a hill, see how it climbs, ride it on rocky stuff, do some drops, see how well it handles on loose crap, how well it handles on big hits, that is why you have 6 inches of travel. you don't ride an all mountain bike as a commuter, you don't need 6 inches of travel for smooth buffed trails. their "test track" doesn't "test" anything.
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1. Is the assumption that the footage in that clip was the EXTENT of the testing on that bike?

2. What magazines are WORTHY of reading, IYO?

3. I subscribe, and LOVE the high-end bike reveiws. Not because I will own one anytime soon, but because it is an indicator of technology that will trickle down, over time.

3. I have learned alot on how to set up my bike from their tech articles.

4. 9 people out of 10 don't use a 6" FS bike to its potential anyways, so who cares WHAT their review says?

5. STAY OFF MUDDY TRAILS!!!!
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Originally Posted by Papa Wheelie View Post
1. Is the assumption that the footage in that clip was the EXTENT of the testing on that bike?

2. What magazines are WORTHY of reading, IYO?

3. I subscribe, and LOVE the high-end bike reveiws. Not because I will own one anytime soon, but because it is an indicator of technology that will trickle down, over time.

3. I have learned alot on how to set up my bike from their tech articles.

4. 9 people out of 10 don't use a 6" FS bike to its potential anyways, so who cares WHAT their review says?

5. STAY OFF MUDDY TRAILS!!!!
1) not really, no

2) Food and Wine, Juxtapoze, Chess Life, High Times, Penthouse Forum

3) cool

3) super cool

4) i do. if they are going to do something, they should do it correctly and fully, to the best of their ability and not half assed.

5) i do.

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If you don't read Cat Fancy, I don't see any reason to carry this any farther.
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Interesting to note that, in the latest issue of MBA, they tested the Giant Glory 0 - - and actually did it at Northstar-at-Tahoe. I was pleasantly surprised; would have figured they'd lame out and just go to Fontana.
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4. 9 people out of 10 don't use a 6" FS bike to its potential anyways, so who cares WHAT their review says?
Nine out of ten people where I live are uncomfortable driving the speed limit on any given state highway (55mph). Does that mean it's okay for a professional car reviewer to write a review about a Corvette that never passed 45mph?

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Originally Posted by Papa Wheelie View Post
1. Is the assumption that the footage in that clip was the EXTENT of the testing on that bike?

2. What magazines are WORTHY of reading, IYO?

3. I subscribe, and LOVE the high-end bike reveiws. Not because I will own one anytime soon, but because it is an indicator of technology that will trickle down, over time.

3. I have learned alot on how to set up my bike from their tech articles.

4. 9 people out of 10 don't use a 6" FS bike to its potential anyways, so who cares WHAT their review says?

5. STAY OFF MUDDY TRAILS!!!!
I'm glad you stay off muddy trails. If you were here it would be one less person on the mountain from October until April.
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...STAY OFF MUDDY TRAILS!!!!
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I'm glad you stay off muddy trails. If you were here it would be one less person on the mountain from October until April.
It really depends on the region. I moved an hour and a half away from my old trail network. Riding my old local trails in the rain was pretty damaging to the trail. There must be alot of nice, brown dirt back there. You generally end up riding out of the muddy trail with 20lbs of mud caked up in your frame and wheels. Definitely bad for the trail. Cutting lots of ruts and crap.


This new place I live and ride...there wasn't any mud on my tires to speak of when I left the trial. There was one section that I hit that was about 6 feet long that was basically just like tacky Playdough. Other than that...there's really good run-off, maybe a higher mixture of clay in it, and alot more rock/shelf type surfaces.
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I'm glad you stay off muddy trails. If you were here it would be one less person on the mountain from October until April.
I am lucky, in that it only rains about 3.5 days a year here. (Ok. More than that, but not by much. Boise gets 12.1 inches a year, on average.)

I guess you could call us "Fair Weather Riders", in that you can put one or two days off of riding in the slop, in the name of "Saving the Trails", and we end up with a sweet-assed trail system that is not all chowdered up.

The high desert is great that way.
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On my old trails...I couldn't even ride freeze'n'thaw. I had to hit it early in the day before the sun got to it or it would be caked up in everything.
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Very good point. I always ride on a mountain where the drainage is pretty good except in a few small areas. I never get that tons of mud stuck to the bike thing.. it is more like being saturated with a muddy spray. The loggers do 10000000x more damage around here than anything. Around here most ruts and problems caused when it is wet simply get smoothed over by the mountain bikers themselves while riding over it for a week.

Sometimes I wish it were drier. However, riding through mist can be pretty sweet, or days when I can get above the cloud cover and look down on the beautiful Odenwald.
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I am lucky, in that it only rains about 3.5 days a year here.
Lucky indeed . . . all that sagebrush and ugly wouldn't withstand too much rainfall.
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Pray tell, where is a suitable "test" trail to take bikes out to review them?
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Lucky indeed . . . all that sagebrush and ugly wouldn't withstand too much rainfall.
Yeah. TOTALLY ugly. STAY AWAY. YOU WOULD HATE IT HERE!!!



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Yeah, but does the trek slash come with a dropper post for said rock?

If that is their favourite testing track, no wonder they all lover 29rs.

Here is another writeup on the slash(marketing doing the rounds)

I don't see them riding over any rocks, but they could have... they could have also taken an xc rig.

Not that the slash is a bad ride, it sounds decent on paper, but they need some testers to send it.

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I can't ride at my preferred trails when it rains, but I can go to some about 5 minutes further away (in another direction) & ride in any weather with no problems. The trails I prefer are in a creeky/river area with lots of soil. The other trail is half GA red clay, half granite...slippery as hell & not much fun to ride on, but not harmful to the trail. The trails are within 45 minutes of each other.

Either way, you'll never see my riding in the rain. If the rain hasn't stopped long enough to dry the granite, it isn't even worth the trip.
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Yeah, but does the trek slash come with a dropper post for said rock?

If that is their favourite testing track, no wonder they all lover 29rs.

Here is another writeup on the slash(marketing doing the rounds)

I don't see them riding over any rocks, but they could have... they could have also taken an xc rig.

Not that the slash is a bad ride, it sounds decent on paper, but they need some testers to send it.

it comes with the rock shox reverb.

it was ridden in the Trestle All mountain Enduro (put on by Ross and Trek, who co-developed the bike). worked well, but yeah, it needs to be pushed to find it's limits.
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it comes with the rock shox reverb.

it was ridden in the Trestle All mountain Enduro (put on by Ross and Trek, who co-developed the bike). worked well, but yeah, it needs to be pushed to find it's limits.
Way better review of the scratch(slash's cousin), but the tester snapped the frame... haha oops.
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