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Just in case anyone was curious. Here is teh drive train.

http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=fr&ie=UTF8

Translated and everything Looks neat.
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so its a derrallier in a can.
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they explain how it works really well in this months issue of mountain bike action.
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Except for the sproket that keeps the drive line straight thereby reducing wear. It is a deraileur in a can but at the same time improves on it. Remove poor chainline helps in more ways then just function
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yeah, plus no dirt or mud can get to it.
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I'm converting my MTB to the same Drivetrain found on the Landrider Autobike... this way I never have to shift again
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why, does it really take that much out of you to shift?
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If they could make a systems as efficient as manul shifting I could see a use. But I know for sure it wouldnt shift in times of need or at the torque that I like.
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The original system was nuts. It used some system of a cam with a variable end so that by moving the end (changing the leverage) it would "shift" gears. The problem was do to the oscillating motion, it also needed gears that were not round but cut in an octagon. To add even more tech to the mix, the system would be destroyed if the bike was rolled backwards, so the freewheel on the rear wheel only engage under power and not the rear wheel rotating backwards. Nuts x 4363412854174
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Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Just in case anyone was curious. Here is teh drive train.

http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=fr&ie=UTF8

Translated and everything Looks neat.
Neato. Always wondered how those worked
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Old 12-11-04, 10:03 PM
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I like that idea. I thin it gives the bike a clean look. thats half the reason why I like single speed, because I dont like looking at all that junk.
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Indeed Version 3 was well explained in MBA magazine. I was amazed how simple and efficient the design is. Even more amazed that nobody thought of that until now.

The only problem: it is limited to 8-9 gears.

So the question is, could this technology make its way to all mountain or even XC biking? Maybe, but somebody has to find a way to put a derailleur on the drive side and keep the sprockets "floating" to keep the short chain alligned. Clearly the derailleur has to float also! I bet it is a matter of time before they nail this.
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So this isn't the design with the unlimited gearing. Its a really expensive 8-9spd.
Why the hell do some companies feel the need to reinvent the wheel. I don't see why changing things just for the sake of changing them is a good idea. My 3 cents.
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Indeed Version 3 was well explained in MBA magazine. I was amazed how simple and efficient the design is. Even more amazed that nobody thought of that until now.

The only problem: it is limited to 8-9 gears.

So the question is, could this technology make its way to all mountain or even XC biking? Maybe, but somebody has to find a way to put a derailleur on the drive side and keep the sprockets "floating" to keep the short chain alligned. Clearly the derailleur has to float also! I bet it is a matter of time before they nail this.

The deraileur already floats. And it would be difficult to incorporate into a non boxed system. G-boxx and not honda are trying to come out with these ideas. Will they see the light of day...doubt it, they would have to be cheap.
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No rear derailleur is spring loaded but fixed! For a 27 gear combination the front derailleur has to float with the drive sprokets (in adition to shifting between the 3 sprokets) in order to keep the short chain aligned. If you look at the MBA article it will be more clear, I think.
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I don't give MBA my money. I thought you were talking the rear deraileur which doesn't 'kind of' float. The whole front would have to float as well. I understand what you were saying now.
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i dont think this bike is "limited to 8 or 9 gears", because there are almost no dh bikes that have more thatn 9. I also read that this new gear box can shift with out pedaling because the internals are always moving. just like the crazy top secret last one.
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Rohollf acts like that too. Perfect for dh
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whats rohollf?
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Its an internally gear 8spd (maybe 7) hub. Great systems, strong and allows shifting without pedalling
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ok, do any bike companys sell bikes with those on them?
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nicolai. Generally an aftermarket item. It makes the bike a little unbalanced to the rear so companies that stock them on bikes tend to have a gearing systems based in the centre with a ss hub on the back. (using it like a gearbox instead of the hub)
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hahaha, why do canadians spell like this?
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Because it is the proper way. Americans took the proper spelling and made it all phoenetic so you didn't have to learn to spell correctly.

Colour, Labour etc...
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we are quite lazy down here.
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