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Old 01-02-05, 03:03 AM
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Hello Everyone,

I'm getting back into the MB world and would like a little advice on gear components. My project bike is being built from scratch, so here is what I have already. 2000 Enduro FSR frame, Marzocchi Bomber Z3 front fork, Fox Float rear shock, Rhyno Lite hubs, and Hayes Hydro brakes. I would like to get a decent system that will last a while. It seems that the Shimano XT is popular, but how is the quality?

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Old 01-02-05, 03:06 AM
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SRAM X-7 and X-9 stuff is worth looking at as well... If you're going to be doing a LOT of off-roading, the SRAM stuff is nicer in my opinion. I have a video comparing the two and the SRAM rear derailleur doesn't bounce around as much.
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Shimano will always have its knockers, Just as I can't get on with any form of grip shift but Shimano XT is top quality gear that is highly commendable. Not as Good as XTR but a lot cheaper, and not much difference in performance. The only part I would say is worth downgrading a bit is the Crankset. The LX crankset is a lot cheaper, and in my opinion as good as the XT.
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Old 01-02-05, 07:11 AM
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My XT has served me very well for four years. There is a very big jump in price from XT to XTR, more than with the other groups.
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Old 01-02-05, 07:14 AM
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I would say XT is just as good as XTR but for half the price Ive ridden with XTR and really it wasnt any different to the XT setup on both of my bikes. The new LX crankset looks nice but its heavier than the XT version though, if u can stretch the budget a little i would say buy XT.
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I have a video comparing the two and the SRAM rear derailleur doesn't bounce around as much.
http://www.angryasian.com/images/Whi...r_ride_sm1.mov

SRAM is far superior, the x.7 derailleur plus shifter cost me just 80 dollars.
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Old 01-02-05, 08:36 AM
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The only difference in the cranks is the XT is silver and has a different big chainring(which I would change anyhow, 46t rocks ). The XT dertailuer will go a lot many miles and will be decent, but stray away from the LX and XT front deraileurs. The casting on the clamps tend to break(I've broken 2 in 6 mo XC) For the fronts all the others are durable, I use old LX or new XTR.

Sram stuff is definitely worth looking into. Im a recent convert to the gripshift world. The way they are designed makes them more tolerant to adjustment drift, which is a big plus in my book.
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I've been running XT for the past 18 months. And am very happy with it. But I do get a bit of chain skip under wet conditions and am forced to clean the drivetrain more than I thnik is necessary. Ot maybe it is just time for a new rear dr.
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XT is nice stuff... SRAM's derailleurs are ok, but I think their shifters are some of the worst designs I've used. Shimano is making some really nice cranksets these days too.
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Yep... XT stuff is really nice, not worth XTR Imo, the price is far too high, and the difference in performance is minimal.

Ive been running full XT on my Hardrock for 4 months, excellent kit for the money... SRAM hasnt been in the Uk for very long but im seeing alot more of their stuff over here, next time i change my drivetrain, i think ill tryout SRAM...
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I've always run some combination of XT, LX or XTR and never had any problems. I don't like that SRAM rear derailleurs don't have cable adjusters. That being said, I can't stand the new rapid rise rear derailleurs, so the day I can't find a standard one is the day I give up on Shimano.

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I understand if you would say the grip shifters suck, but even the trigger shifters?
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Originally Posted by phantomcow2
I understand if you would say the grip shifters suck, but even the trigger shifters?
Yeah we got a Giant with the SRAM stuff at work and it has to be the most awkward and uncomfortable trigger system I have used... but it could just be me, or I don't understand exactly how it works? It seems too bad to have been designed that way, almost.
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Wow, i absolutely love my x.7 triggers. you push the lever with your thumb to shift up, what i like is how on many others the lever thingy stays in its positon but with these things it goes back, this means you cant shift up the whole spectrum from 9 to 1 in one ungraceful shifft but you keep pushing it up. Personally i dont mind it but understamd it takes getting used to. But shifting down you use your index finger and you easily shift from 1 to 9. It also makes a click each time which call me crazy but i think its satisfying. PLus the shifters have the cable adjusters to make up for the lack of them on the derailleurs.
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Thanks for the advice! It looks like I'll be going with the XT system.
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Old 01-04-05, 07:31 PM
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Here is what I've bought so far in my project.

Specialized Enduro 2000 FSR Frame 19"
Fox Float Rear Shock
Marzocchi Bomber Z3 Front Fork
Hayes Hydro Brakes
Rhyno Lite hubs
Kore Lite 3 Stem
Shimano XT Front Derailleur
MTB Motoraptor Tires

I'm considering a riser handbar like the Titec Hell Bent. Since the Hayes brakes might not be in working condition, I may have to throw them out in favor of some Avid discs.
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Universal Cycles sells Hayes replacement parts for about as cheap as you'll get. It's not very hard to replace/rebuild bad parts.

I have Titec Hell Bent bars and the geometry is pretty nice; I left them uncut. They're really solid...the walls are much thicker than most Al bars.
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That's perfect, thanks for the link.

You wouldn't believe the deal I was able to get on all this stuff. Lets just say I'll be able to finish this all up for under $300
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Originally Posted by seely
Yeah we got a Giant with the SRAM stuff at work and it has to be the most awkward and uncomfortable trigger system I have used... but it could just be me, or I don't understand exactly how it works? It seems too bad to have been designed that way, almost.
SRAM trigger shifters are an aquired taste like caviar, nobody is born wanting them, yet after a bit of use you can't go any other way.

(i have SRAM .7 triggers)
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I also found the X.7 triggers to be a bit wacky after using Shimano shifters for so long. I suppose I could get used to them, but I'm not sure if I want to. I will admit that they were buttery smooth and I love the fact that one sweep of the thumb lever goes through all 9 cogs.
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For me I had my shimano shifters twisted so much I used my thumb for both directions shifting anyways ...I never liked taking my first finger off the brake to shift
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look on pricepoint. they have the best stuff
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