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Old 01-10-05, 09:01 PM
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Tube vs. Tubeless

Is there a big difference?
Pro:?
Con:?
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Old 01-10-05, 09:40 PM
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gentlemen, start your engines

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Old 01-10-05, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by phantomcow2
gentlemen, start your engines
Wow... That was a lot of help.
and btw, im talking about tires..................
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Tubless seem like less of a hassle, but they seem more prone to popping, and you can't just buy a $5 tube if they pop either. But they are reliable, and lighter, and all the pro's use em'.

Tube<Tubless
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well, im using clinchers and plan to keep it that way. First of all, theres the cost. tubes are just not that expensive and with the right htings under the tube you wont get flats, im sure it will happen but it has not to me for a rather long time. If im not mistaken you have to go and "glue" the tire onto the rim. with clinchers you just use a tire lever and pry it off. so if your like me and switch tires a lot its easy. I know tubulars are less weight but i dont know iwht the sealant and all i dont think people need it.
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Originally Posted by phantomcow2
well, im using clinchers and plan to keep it that way. First of all, theres the cost. tubes are just not that expensive and with the right htings under the tube you wont get flats, im sure it will happen but it has not to me for a rather long time. If im not mistaken you have to go and "glue" the tire onto the rim. with clinchers you just use a tire lever and pry it off. so if your like me and switch tires a lot its easy. I know tubulars are less weight but i dont know iwht the sealant and all i dont think people need it.
glue?? ive never heard of anyone gluing their wheel onto the rim. for tubless, you need a tire sealer (called stans sealant or something) that is self healing. I think tubless is better if you have the dough, but most people do not have the dough. Therefore tubes are a more reasonable choice.
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yes thats it! sealant. I dont find it practical. I suppose if you had the cash like dirtbike said, and maybe had two wheelsets, one for each purpose with the tire already on it would be okay.
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tubeless works out cheaper over the life of the tyre.
also saves you riding time through less punctures
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If your using that cheap plastic rim tape that folds over yes you will get a puncture. If you use high quality you will not. I am yet to get one with velox.
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Originally Posted by stumpjumper476
Tubless seem like less of a hassle, but they seem more prone to popping, and you can't just buy a $5 tube if they pop either. But they are reliable, and lighter, and all the pro's use em'.

Tube<Tubless
Sorry, but most all of what is stated above is simply wrong. A tubeless system is actually generally heavier than its tubed counterpart, and a tubeless set-up is certainly not prone to "popping". Moreover, all the pros do not use them.

I've been running tubeless for the past 2+ years, and would never go back to tubes. Like most, I used to get a flats (pinches, and punctures) every other ride or so. I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A FLAT IN THE 2+ YEARS I'VE RUN TUBELESS W/STANS SEALANT INSTALLED. I have punctured, but in every instance, the Stan's sealant has come through - it's great stuff, and I would not go tubeless without it. This alone is enough of a reason to go tubeless, however the ability to run much lower air pressure is also a great justification. My bikes now stick to the trail like glue in muddy, slippery situations.

Pros:
No flats!
Much improved traction/performance

Cons:
Weight
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i've a set of tubeless wheels ordered, Mavic XM 819 rims to be precise. the reason i'm going tubeless is because i am sick of changing tubes on the trails. its the most annoying thing about cycling imo. aswell, i'm leaving slicks on my old wheelset.
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Originally Posted by stumpjumper476
, and all the pro's use em'.
pro's also ride 10,000 dollar bikes and have sponsors
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Like bac said, one must have a sealant in the tubeless tire setup. Without it you still can get punctures, and you cannot inflate a repaired tubeless tire with a frame pump or a floor pump. You'll need a powerful air compressor. I am not sure if CO2 cartridges might work. I do use tubeless in my MTB but they have Slime in 'em. Slime works, too.
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Originally Posted by phantomcow2
well, im using clinchers and plan to keep it that way. First of all, theres the cost. tubes are just not that expensive and with the right htings under the tube you wont get flats, im sure it will happen but it has not to me for a rather long time. If im not mistaken you have to go and "glue" the tire onto the rim. with clinchers you just use a tire lever and pry it off. so if your like me and switch tires a lot its easy. I know tubulars are less weight but i dont know iwht the sealant and all i dont think people need it.
You don't have to use sealant. A tubular road wheel (sew-up) is not the same as a tubeless mountain bike system.
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Originally Posted by DHMudRunner
Wow... That was a lot of help.
and btw, im talking about tires..................
He was politely telling you that forum members will happily beat this topic to death.
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Originally Posted by Jeprox
you cannot inflate a repaired tubeless tire with a frame pump or a floor pump.
What's the difference between a repaired tubeless vs. a new tubeless in terms of inflation? I've never had to do a repair on the trail since going tubeless. However, I have had no problems installing new tubeless tires with my floor pump, and I would bet that I could also do it with my mini-pump, but I've not tried.
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Originally Posted by bac
What's the difference between a repaired tubeless vs. a new tubeless in terms of inflation? I've never had to do a repair on the trail since going tubeless. However, I have had no problems installing new tubeless tires with my floor pump, and I would bet that I could also do it with my mini-pump, but I've not tried.
Well, for some reason I couldn't get my tubeless tire to snap back to the rim after I take it off for the first time. This is to repair a puncture prior to my deciding to use Slime. Brand new tubeless tires seem to mount and inflate easily.
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I repaired my tubeless tires and re-mounted them with no problems at all..
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with a floor pump btw
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Originally Posted by The_Convert
I repaired my tubeless tires and re-mounted them with no problems at all..
The_Convert & bac, is there anything I should be doing? The air seems to escape when I am trying to re-inflate. I wish not to bring tubes with me when I go out on the trail. Thanks for any tips.
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Tubes work good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Jeprox
The_Convert & bac, is there anything I should be doing? The air seems to escape when I am trying to re-inflate. I wish not to bring tubes with me when I go out on the trail. Thanks for any tips.
I wouldn't be comfortable not bringing a tube with me. However, to date, I've not had to use one. Perhaps your rim/tire configuration is different, and that's the problem. I'm running a set of Mavic Crossmax SLs with Panaracer Fire XC Pro UST on one machine, and the 2003 Mavic equivalent (they changed a bit) of the XM819 disc rim with the same Panaracer Fire XC Pro UST strapped on another machine. Each is equally easy to inflate.

I've not had to do a repair/inflation on the trail, but @ home I use some soapy water to coat the rim/tire to help it slip up and seat on the rim. Also, make sure that both inside rims of the tire are in the middle of the rim (in the recessed area) to form an airtight seal. Then, just pump, and wait for the pop!
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Do all tubless require an adhesive?

Also, what do you think about these maxxis?

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No, UST tires require no adhesive at all. Only road tubeless do.
About the inflating... pretty much what bac said, I am running his same wheelset.
Bac- I'm going to get Stan's system, it sounds like you highly recomend it. What kit should I buy for already tubeless wheels?
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How good are regular rims converted to tubeless with stans?
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