GTRUCKUS

C Law

Perhaps he holds the bar right near the stem.

ColinL

Yup! Is there another way?

kenhill3

^^^What he said.

Daspydyr 

Down South of the Mason Dixon line we have our own rules on spelling, goes with horse shoes and hand grenades. Please post an apology on my FB page as well as here for your snotty northern criticism.

LesterOfPuppets

I like a lot of the old stuff, 7 sp, steel, lugs, thumbshifters, rim brakes, tanwall tires, cantis, etc.
Hate a lot of olde stuff too - level top tubes, quill stems, non-lo-pro cantis, freewheels, limousine wheelbases, 68/70 frame angles (which are back again), etc.

Reckon I'm a mid-schooler for the most part

kenhill3

No grouching here. But, I still run 130mm stems on my mtbs. Hopelessly living in the past XC/Norba geometry.

Tulok

I am selling my lower end fork and getting a rigid fork, canti's and skinnier tires. Low end parts are killing the sport imho, riding a crummy fork, with crummy low end discs makes me almost mad! When my 1972 road bike brakes harder than my 6 month old mtb, there is a problem. I would rather give up 4" of sticky travel and blisters on my fingers for a smoother, lighter ride that works better in most conditions. I'll be saving 6lbs of weight in the process, since when do hydroformed frames make the bike so much better? I don't think they do, if you get a nice frame with really cheesy parts.

LesterOfPuppets

31.8mm is soooo 2007. 35mm or bust!!!

Kinda strange that roadies came up with it first, but it's now in both worlds.

https://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/ca...lebar-12-46451

DinoShepherd

Here's the bug difference...

With many of the road " improvements" , the manufactureres left the consumer no choice. Take it or leave it.

The mtb world is rife with choices. Niner, 650, 26. How much travel do you want? No problem. Lots of choices. Dual suspension or no suspension? Easy.

Road biking is just painting itself into a fancy corner by not really evolving, but just changing for sake of change.

ColinL

Road biking is trying to innovate but it's not possible, or at least not as easy. It's very easy to pitch a new suspension fork as an upgrade (and it usually is) over a 4+ year-old suspension fork. But a road fork can't really be improved without upping the cost. (And if you already had a full carbon fork, where do you go? Nowhere.)

giantcfr1

I think they want to, but the UCI usually puts an end to all the fun stuff.

dminor 

Ah, who are we kidding? How far can you 'evolve,' really, with two wheels and a primitive transmission? Even the most "high-tech" of choices are comparative stone axes.

Gotte

I'm sure there are plenty of grouches out there, retro or otherwise. I believe in live and let live, however. Whatever gets you there and back and makes you sing. Of course, I tend to get a bit grouchy if someone tells me what I should or shouldn't do. Especially if it's the dinner lady from school who used to treat the dining hall like Stalag Luft 14. But that's another story...

wapiti

My favourite MTB is a mid-'90's De Kerf steel hardtail with a rigid steel fork.

And narrow handlebars.

That bike is a blast to ride.

plodderslusk

+++, me too, just got a 93 Kilauea, spot on for my old retro grouch taste.

Groundoggy

Definitely retro and definitely a grouch.

I don't even want disc brake tabs on my forks. Ew. What idiot thought the problem with the MTB was the ability to stop?

ColinL

Probably someone going faster than 10mph.

LesterOfPuppets

Only thing i dislike about discs is the pitch of their squeal. Never had stopping problems with well adjusted vees, cantis or ubrakes tho.

roccobike

Retro grouch? maybe. Just cause I'm old and think bikes went downhill after they went to pneumatic tires doesn't mean I'm a retro grouch.


Actually, I'd rather have newer MTB stuff than vintage, and this from a guy who currently owns several "vintage" 80's and 90's MTBs. Give me a late model Stumpy any time.

dminor 

This.

Well-adjusted/maintained discs don't squeal. None of my Hayes setups have; and Hayes are legendary for their howl. Diving off the edge of a ski run at 40+ MPH in open range* country made me a believer in discs .




* Sun Peaks Resort, 2006 Masters World Championships

Groundoggy

Well adjusted canti's and V-Brakes will stop a knowledgeable and experienced rider who doesn't rely on a chairlift to take him up the mountain.

dminor 

^^ You are so clueless that I won't even bother .

LesterOfPuppets

Im not the most fastidious brake adjuster. Front brake on the 'goose actually sounds like a goose, being strangled ATM. I find that somewhat bearable but dog whistle freqs of disc squeel hurts my head.

Groundoggy

...but it was YOU who was claiming disc brakes 'stop better'?

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?page_id=8174

[h=4]Pros of disc brakes:[/h]

• Strong action
• Less affected by mud and water
• Unaffected by warped rims
• Pads last a long time
• No rim wear and tear
• No heated rims or tire blowouts on long descents
• Disc-specific rims can be slightly stronger
• They look cool, let's admit it!

[h=4]Cons of disc brakes:[/h]

• Put more stress on spokes
• You need a dished wheel, even in front
• More beefy forks required, since stress is put on one side
• Some risk of pulling front wheel out of the dropout due to torsional stress
• Weaker rear wheel, since more dished both sides
• Complicates rack attachment
• Complicates rear kickstand mounting
• Less standard worldwide, more likely to need FedEx
• Pads become useless if you get oil on them
• Disc rotor is smaller than rims, so heats up more quickly
• On long descents, red hot rotor can heat up hub (bad for bearings)
• Disc rotor can still become damaged in transit, harder to replace
• Disc brakes often need re-adjustment and often squeal for no apparent reason

[h=4]Pros of rim brakes:[/h]

• Simple, standard system
• Properly adjusted, can stop any bike
• Cheap replacement blocks
• Better mechanical advantage using rim
• No dishing of front wheel necessary
• Less stress on spokes
• Less wheel dishing = stronger wheels
• Less torque stress on front fork
• No tendency to pull front wheel out of dropouts
• Don't interfere with rack attachment
• Don't interfere with rear kickstand mount
• They let you know when your rim needs truing
• No risk of heating up your hubs on long descents

[h=4]Cons of rim brakes:[/h]

• Wear and tear on rims
• Risk tire blowout from heating up rims on long descents
• Affected by water and mud
• Not always as strong as disc
• Don't look as cool