Opinions on Shimano XT integrated shifters
02-04-05, 01:03 PM
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Opinions on Shimano XT integrated shifters
Hi, Well my new race bike is due in next week and I still haven't made my mind up about integrated shifters. personally I can't see a real performance gain over rapid fire and they appear to be potentially fragile. The LBS have offered to replace them with XTR rapid fire shifters & hydro brake levers at N/C.
what do you guys think? somebody must have an opinion or 90 on these things.
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what do you guys think? somebody must have an opinion or 90 on these things.
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02-04-05, 01:11 PM
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My LBS said they wherent too sure at first, butafter a few rides they really liked them, see if you can get a test period to see if you like them or not.
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I hated mine for 2wks, but now after a year you would have to pry them off my cold dead fingers. Mine have sustained some very hard blows and work absolutely fine. Just don't tighten the clamp bolts to the point where the shifter won't give in an impact, just like you would with any brake lever.
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I have Acera integrated brake levers and shifters and I like them. Everything falls easily to hand. I don't know how much they have in common with the XTs though.
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I assume you're talking about the flippy-shifters. I would have to say that you should try them for a few rides... but not necessarily on your dime if you can avoid it. I was skeptical about them and test rode them on a few bikes and in the end... I still didn't like them or the Rapid-Rise RD. However, this is not to say that everyone will share my view and maybe I didn't give myself enough time to form a fair opinion so I encourage you to find out for yourself.
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Thanks Khuon, thats my dilema exactly, I have test rode them but only on the pavement around the LBS and really didn't like them, or the rapid rise for that matter.
it's not really possible for me to do a "real test" without jeapordizing the trade value.
So far nobody has been able to convince me that these things are a real step forward in performance. Everyone I 've talked to says they're nice/sweet/trick etc etc... but no one seems to be able to articulate why they're any better than rapid fires.
Thanks for your input.
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it's not really possible for me to do a "real test" without jeapordizing the trade value.
So far nobody has been able to convince me that these things are a real step forward in performance. Everyone I 've talked to says they're nice/sweet/trick etc etc... but no one seems to be able to articulate why they're any better than rapid fires.
Thanks for your input.
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02-04-05, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrasher
but no one seems to be able to articulate why they're any better than rapid fires.
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They aren't a step forward at all. It is a lateral move. It is about personal taste. I can't stand them nor rapid rise. In fact I only know one rider who does. But they are definately NOT a move up.
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Originally Posted by .:MTB:.
I have Acera integrated brake levers and shifters and I like them. Everything falls easily to hand. I don't know how much they have in common with the XTs though.
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Originally Posted by sparks_219
You dont have to take your hand off the brake lever while shifting. Kinda like the difference bailing on b/t clipless and platform pedals. Sometimes the 10th of a second counts...
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https://bike.shimano.com/catalog/cycl...=1107583514738
Is this what's being discussed? Do I have so called "rapidfire" shifters then?
<= doesn't know what he's talking about
Is this what's being discussed? Do I have so called "rapidfire" shifters then?
<= doesn't know what he's talking about
02-05-05, 12:17 AM
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Here we go again, the shimano vs sram debate.
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Originally Posted by .:MTB:.
https://bike.shimano.com/catalog/cycl...=1107583514738
Is this what's being discussed? Do I have so called "rapidfire" shifters then?
<= doesn't know what he's talking about
Is this what's being discussed? Do I have so called "rapidfire" shifters then?
<= doesn't know what he's talking about
02-05-05, 12:20 AM
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Rapid Fire
Dual Control (flippy shifters... what we are discussing)... all controls are via the brake lever
EZ Fire... these integrate a brake lever/shifter but they remain seperate controls
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I HATE flippy shifters. I also hate Rapid Rise. I've already decided my next bike will have a SRAM driveline.
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I'll stick with my rapid fire 
and I can't say I disagree with the idea of going SRAM on the next mtb.
and I can't say I disagree with the idea of going SRAM on the next mtb.
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I'd do something like this,
FRAME FSR technology, M5 Manipulated alloy DT with Transform monocoque TT, sealed cart. Bearings, disc compatible, 120mm travel, repl. der. hanger, two sets of water bottle bosses
REAR SHOCK Fox Float Septune. Custom on the fly seven position adjustable ProPedal pedal assisting damping. External rebound adjust. 7.5x1.75”
FORK Fox Talas RLC, 95-130mm travel, rebound adj., compression adj. w/ lock-out and threshold adjust, alloy steerer
HEADSET Chris King NoThreadset Purple Ano
STEM Thomson, CNC 7000 Series Aluminum 10 degree rise
HANDLEBARS.. MAXM MX-5 Lo-rise composite
TAPE / GRIPS.. ODI Lock on "Rogue"
FRONT BRAKE.. Avid Mechanical Disc /w Hope Gothic Rotor (Might do Juicy)
REAR BRAKE.. Avid Mechanical Disc /w Hope Gothic Rotor (Might do Juicy)
FRONT DERAILLEUR.. SRAM X-Generation
REAR DERAILLEUR.. SRAM X.9
SHIFT LEVERS.. X.9 Triggers
CASSETTE.. SRAM PC-970
CHAIN.. SRAM PC-970
CRANKSET.. Race Face Atlas
CHAINRINGS.. 44Ax32Ax22A
BOTTOM BRACKET.. Race Face X type
PEDALS.. undecided Time ATAC model
RIMS.. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc Tubeless compatible, 26”
FRONT HUB .. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc with Mavic QR
REAR HUB .. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc with Mavic QR
SPOKES.. Mavic CrossMax XL forged aluminum
FRONT TIRE TBD
REAR TIRE.. TBD
TUBES.. TBD (it IS a tubeless wheelset after all)
SADDLE.. Specialized BG technology
SEAT POST.. Thomson, 7000 Series Aluminum, 2-bolt adjust, set back head, 30.9mm x 367/410mm
SEAT BINDER.. Alloy collar with Q/R, 34.9mm clamp I.D., black
something like that would work nicely
FRAME FSR technology, M5 Manipulated alloy DT with Transform monocoque TT, sealed cart. Bearings, disc compatible, 120mm travel, repl. der. hanger, two sets of water bottle bosses
REAR SHOCK Fox Float Septune. Custom on the fly seven position adjustable ProPedal pedal assisting damping. External rebound adjust. 7.5x1.75”
FORK Fox Talas RLC, 95-130mm travel, rebound adj., compression adj. w/ lock-out and threshold adjust, alloy steerer
HEADSET Chris King NoThreadset Purple Ano
STEM Thomson, CNC 7000 Series Aluminum 10 degree rise
HANDLEBARS.. MAXM MX-5 Lo-rise composite
TAPE / GRIPS.. ODI Lock on "Rogue"
FRONT BRAKE.. Avid Mechanical Disc /w Hope Gothic Rotor (Might do Juicy)
REAR BRAKE.. Avid Mechanical Disc /w Hope Gothic Rotor (Might do Juicy)
FRONT DERAILLEUR.. SRAM X-Generation
REAR DERAILLEUR.. SRAM X.9
SHIFT LEVERS.. X.9 Triggers
CASSETTE.. SRAM PC-970
CHAIN.. SRAM PC-970
CRANKSET.. Race Face Atlas
CHAINRINGS.. 44Ax32Ax22A
BOTTOM BRACKET.. Race Face X type
PEDALS.. undecided Time ATAC model
RIMS.. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc Tubeless compatible, 26”
FRONT HUB .. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc with Mavic QR
REAR HUB .. Mavic CrossMax XL Disc with Mavic QR
SPOKES.. Mavic CrossMax XL forged aluminum
FRONT TIRE TBD
REAR TIRE.. TBD
TUBES.. TBD (it IS a tubeless wheelset after all)
SADDLE.. Specialized BG technology
SEAT POST.. Thomson, 7000 Series Aluminum, 2-bolt adjust, set back head, 30.9mm x 367/410mm
SEAT BINDER.. Alloy collar with Q/R, 34.9mm clamp I.D., black
something like that would work nicely
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ok, where's the mouth-watering/drooling/I-just-got-a-stiffy icon?
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Originally Posted by cryogenic
ok, where's the mouth-watering/drooling/I-just-got-a-stiffy icon?
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Don't like them. Plus, the potential crash replacemen cost scares the heck out of me. I don't know about you guys, but I crash a lot. At least once every time I go out. If you're not crashing, you're not trying hard enough.
Plus, I also don't like NOT being able to use the disc brake of my choice of other manufacturer's hydraulic discs. If you use flippy shifters, you are forced to use Shimano discs. Not saying that their discs are bad, I just like to keep my options open.
Heck, I still prefer Shimano 8 speed stuff.
Plus, I also don't like NOT being able to use the disc brake of my choice of other manufacturer's hydraulic discs. If you use flippy shifters, you are forced to use Shimano discs. Not saying that their discs are bad, I just like to keep my options open.
Heck, I still prefer Shimano 8 speed stuff.
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I have the XT "Dual Control" levers on one of my bikes and they're.... ok. They do the job fine but I don't prefer them. I'm not crazy about rapid rise either. I hated them at first but you get used to the way they operate etc.
I don't mind innovations as such but I'd like to be able to choose amongst them. Shimano is a huge company-- they could offer Rapid Fire, Dual Control, and even Friction (especially for the front derailleur) in XTR, XT, LX, and Deore. What bothers me is the possibility that in the future I won't have a choice. Friction is no longer available; it could happen to Rapid Fire.
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I don't mind innovations as such but I'd like to be able to choose amongst them. Shimano is a huge company-- they could offer Rapid Fire, Dual Control, and even Friction (especially for the front derailleur) in XTR, XT, LX, and Deore. What bothers me is the possibility that in the future I won't have a choice. Friction is no longer available; it could happen to Rapid Fire.
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To give shimano some credit. They took all the complaints and did in fact move back a little. In the FR lineup (hone and saint) they brought back the rapid fire. Good move on their part.
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Originally Posted by Chuckie J.
Friction is no longer available; it could happen to Rapid Fire.
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Our newest innovation, the Thumbies thumb shifter mounts.
These are designed to be used with indexed Shimano bar-end (aka barcon) shifters. Both 9-speed and 8-speed indexed shifters are readily available, and these shifters also still have a friction option for everything else.
Admittedly, we weren't sure at first if these would be a good
thing or something kind of gimmicky. But upon testing them, it was love at first ride.
Not only did the thumb shifting action of old come instantly back, it did so in a way never before imagined. The bike shifted more precisely and smoothly than ever before. Better in our opinoin then trigger and twist shifters.
Installation is easy and straight forward. They do not include the
shifters; you must provide them. We know they work with the Shimano bar-ends, but they may also work with some down tube shifters as well.
These are designed to be used with indexed Shimano bar-end (aka barcon) shifters. Both 9-speed and 8-speed indexed shifters are readily available, and these shifters also still have a friction option for everything else.
Admittedly, we weren't sure at first if these would be a good
thing or something kind of gimmicky. But upon testing them, it was love at first ride.
Not only did the thumb shifting action of old come instantly back, it did so in a way never before imagined. The bike shifted more precisely and smoothly than ever before. Better in our opinoin then trigger and twist shifters.
Installation is easy and straight forward. They do not include the
shifters; you must provide them. We know they work with the Shimano bar-ends, but they may also work with some down tube shifters as well.
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Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
Don't like them. Plus, the potential crash replacemen cost scares the heck out of me. I don't know about you guys, but I crash a lot. At least once every time I go out. If you're not crashing, you're not trying hard enough.
Plus, I also don't like NOT being able to use the disc brake of my choice of other manufacturer's hydraulic discs. If you use flippy shifters, you are forced to use Shimano discs. Not saying that their discs are bad, I just like to keep my options open.
Heck, I still prefer Shimano 8 speed stuff.
Plus, I also don't like NOT being able to use the disc brake of my choice of other manufacturer's hydraulic discs. If you use flippy shifters, you are forced to use Shimano discs. Not saying that their discs are bad, I just like to keep my options open.
Heck, I still prefer Shimano 8 speed stuff.
