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Old 01-18-13, 08:29 AM
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Good First Mountain Bike?

Hey guys, so i recently decided to get into mt biking, and after some looking around i found this in my area http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/bik/3553298549.html. I was wondering if this is a good starter bike/good bike overall. Also, is the price right? If not how much should i be asking? Thanks in advance for any help! -Andrew
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I was wondering if this is a good starter bike/good bike overall. Also, is the price right? -Andrew
Yes, it' a very, very good starter bike, probably more than you need. Is the 17.5 size correct for you (are you in the 5'8" to 5'10" range)? Can you stand over it? Do a search on the standover spec for that frame 29er and size. In your riding shoes, would you clear the top tube by 1" or so?

The price is pretty fair. Those same components in a mail-order drop shipped generic taiwanes 29er would be ~$800. Offer $700 and see if the seller reacts. Be friendly and not combative. You may work the price down to a really good value.

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Yea i am 5'11" so the bike should be a good fit. Its about an hour away, so i was going to see if it was worth checking out before i made the drive. Thanks for the help!
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
probably more than you need.
Silly statement.
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Who in the world rides a bike twice only to sell it on craigslist?

By the way, there's a thread somewhere in this forum where I showed a list of bike parts to buy in order to build a bike. And as to not offend any posters here, yes, reflectors are optional on mountain bikes. Hehe.

You know it's weird when I think about it. Some others said it's too expensive to build your own. Then I posted that list of bike parts and realized just how weird it is to find a bike you want when looking at various complete bikes on chainreactioncycles.com. Either one bike had a fork I didn't want, or another bike had OK forks but other parts I didn't want. It was a never-ending story. Anyway, that bike on craigslist with Deore rear derailleur and XC28 seems OK for the price... (it's just not a steal, maybe he got it at a year-end sale and is just trying to make a profit).

EDIT: For anyone curious on the example build I posted...
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post15119518

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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr View Post
Who in the world rides a bike twice only to sell it on craigslist?

By the way, there's a thread somewhere in this forum where I showed a list of bike parts to buy in order to build a bike. And as to not offend any posters here, yes, reflectors are optional on mountain bikes. Hehe.

You know it's weird when I think about it. Some others said it's too expensive to build your own. Then I posted that list of bike parts and realized just how weird it is to find a bike you want when looking at various complete bikes on chainreactioncycles.com. Either one bike had a fork I didn't want, or another bike had OK forks but other parts I didn't want. It was a never-ending story. Anyway, that bike on craigslist with Deore rear derailleur and XC28 seems OK for the price... (it's just not a steal, maybe he got it at a year-end sale and is just trying to make a profit).

EDIT: For anyone curious on the example build I posted...
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post15119518
Dude, that was useless and unhelpful the first time. Why are you trying to hawk it again?
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Originally Posted by rebel1916 View Post
Dude, that was useless and unhelpful the first time. Why are you trying to hawk it again?
It's not really hawking. It's almost all Deore LX parts. And you can spend more time finding even better deals. Besides, you don't need to include the cost of fenders, reflectors etc. And if there are positive comments for the Sette Reken frame, why the comment? If someone wanted to build a 29er, they can. The point is, if someone were to choose a Rockshox XC32 fork and mostly LX parts, they might have more value for the money than what they get in a store. The craigslist ad says MSRP is $1100? Oh yeah, it has an Acera front derailleur. (Or, actually I did choose a different kind of handlebar but the point is, the cost of having a headset, bottom bracket and cranks installed isn't that much. And someone can always find HollowTech II cranks if they wanted. Fact is, if it's not what you think people need, you can say what you'd change.)
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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr View Post
Who in the world rides a bike twice only to sell it on craigslist?

By the way, there's a thread somewhere in this forum where I showed a list of bike parts to buy in order to build a bike. And as to not offend any posters here, yes, reflectors are optional on mountain bikes. Hehe.

You know it's weird when I think about it. Some others said it's too expensive to build your own. Then I posted that list of bike parts and realized just how weird it is to find a bike you want when looking at various complete bikes on chainreactioncycles.com. Either one bike had a fork I didn't want, or another bike had OK forks but other parts I didn't want. It was a never-ending story. Anyway, that bike on craigslist with Deore rear derailleur and XC28 seems OK for the price... (it's just not a steal, maybe he got it at a year-end sale and is just trying to make a profit).

EDIT: For anyone curious on the example build I posted...
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post15119518
Reflectors are also known as trail side debris.
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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr View Post
It's not really hawking. It's almost all Deore LX parts. And you can spend more time finding even better deals. Besides, you don't need to include the cost of fenders, reflectors etc. And if there are positive comments for the Sette Reken frame, why the comment? If someone wanted to build a 29er, they can. The point is, if someone were to choose a Rockshox XC32 fork and mostly LX parts, they might have more value for the money than what they get in a store. The craigslist ad says MSRP is $1100? Oh yeah, it has an Acera front derailleur. (Or, actually I did choose a different kind of handlebar but the point is, the cost of having a headset, bottom bracket and cranks installed isn't that much. And someone can always find HollowTech II cranks if they wanted. Fact is, if it's not what you think people need, you can say what you'd change.)
So it's a bike that has an outdated spec for drivetrain with a total dog of a fork on it. Rockshox's xc(insert stanction size here)tk is not all that great, there are better deals out there. LX is fine and all, but it is a joke to have it mated with that fork though.
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MSRP is $1100 and the seller wants $850 for a three-year-old bike. The seller is freaking stupid. Bikes are not a long-term investment, especially consumer grade starter bikes. I am shocked that he is asking more than five or $600 for it. What a ***g.

On the flipside, he may just be swinging for the fences and will take less .


It's not bad for cheap bike though, maybe he will go for a $600 offer
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Looking to purchase a new hardtail. Trek or Jamis. Bike shops in my area have both. Are both of these good bikes to built on. Should I want to add on upgrades.
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Looking to purchase a new hardtail. Trek or Jamis. Bike shops in my area have both. Are both of these good bikes to built on. Should I want to add on upgrades.
My understanding is that Trek makes good bikes. But so do all the major manufacturers, which would include any bike you find at an LBS. Most importantly, don't buy upgrades. Ride up grades.
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Yes I dont plan on purchasing a low end bike. But I dont need a high end bike either. I was looking yesterday at the LBS and the Trek and Jamis bikes looked pretty good. I would like decent brakes, derailleur and shifters. I was just thinking of a decent frame that would hold up. BTW, a department store bike I was NOT even considering. My last bike was from a bike shop I purchased years ago. I like the support you get from that. Thanks, Phil
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Looking to purchase a new hardtail. Trek or Jamis. Bike shops in my area have both. Are both of these good bikes to built on. Should I want to add on upgrades.
Most likely not worth upgrading or "building on" per se' ---- but replacing an LX or XT derailleur if a stump rips it off ? -- sure. Whatever it costs to maintain it (tires , tubes, chains, cogs, etc. ---- but i'd draw the line at upgrading major stuff like forks ) And likely worth keeping a set of Stan's wheels , or something similar around that you can transfer to your next ride, --- but the big companies have buying power to give you a better price on the components you buy with the bike ---- if you are buying a mass market brand bike like that, its better to save a bit more coin for a Deore XT or XTR equipped bike than to add that stuff after the fact. You'll get a nicer overall bike that way too, because the frame will be lighter, it will have a nicer fork, and all the rest of the ancillary bits (seats, posts , bars, stem etc.)
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Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
So it's a bike that has an outdated spec for drivetrain with a total dog of a fork on it. Rockshox's xc(insert stanction size here)tk is not all that great, there are better deals out there. LX is fine and all, but it is a joke to have it mated with that fork though.
Well, New Old Stock Shimano Deore for a beginner is better than riding Shimano Tourney. And the bike on craigslist is an XC28. It's well below the XC32 and below the XC30. So, is he going to put a $400 fork on for the first bike he gets? lol

EDIT: I want to make another point about some manufactured bikes. Often, they'll cut corners here and there and put lower quality bottom brackets, rims etc. on bikes. So, if someone were to choose a groupset, you have many choices like disc groupset, V-brake groupset or even trekking groupset with chainguards. YES, I SAID IT, CHAINGUARDS.
http://www.bike24.com/p211923.html
http://www.bike24.com/p211914.html
http://www.bike24.com/p211938.html
Even on bikes that have dynamo hubs, they can choose the ones with model numbers that end in 20, 30 or 35 that have more resistance. Models that have less resistance end in 72, 80 etc.

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Alright so here is my next question, ive always been a big Gaint fan, my road bike is a TCR, and i went to my local LBS and found the Talon 29er 1 and 29er 0, and really like the feel of the bikes (took them both for a ride) He sail 850 on the 29er 1 and 1,075 for the 0, but said he could probably go down on price for the 0, along with this you get the bike shop stuff (double warranty, tune up, seat exchange, 10% off other stuff etc.) i also really enjoy supporting the local business, the owner is a really great guy. So i guess my question is, would either of these bikes be worth it?
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I went to see the Giant web sites but saw differences in the specs of the U.S. and Canadian web sites. And I saw pages for the 2012 and 2013 models but looking at 2012 U.S. models...

The Talon 1 has Suntour XCT forks, Shimano Altus front derailleur and 8 speeds, while the Talon 0 has Rockshox XC28, Shimano Deore front derailleur and 9 speeds. People have said the Suntour forks are not easilly serviceable. Clearly, the Talon 0 is superior. To me it depends how you look at it. If I wanted to change later to friction shifters, I'd go with the 8 speed drivetrain. You could always put on better forks later.
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If I wanted to change later to friction shifters, I'd go with the 8 speed drivetrain. You could always put on better forks later.
You are right, that is usually a big concern of guys buying new 29er mountain bikes. I mean Jaysus, I know everyone has a right to an opinion, but either you are trolling, or just a seriously strange dude. Or maybe you know very little, but are spending time in the C&V or rando forums where people worry about nonsense like this. Seriously, I'm confused, and my head is starting to hurt.
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You are right, that is usually a big concern of guys buying new 29er mountain bikes. I mean Jaysus, I know everyone has a right to an opinion, but either you are trolling, or just a seriously strange dude. Or maybe you know very little, but are spending time in the C&V or rando forums where people worry about nonsense like this. Seriously, I'm confused, and my head is starting to hurt.
People who ride on Deore all the time may not have to bring their bikes to a shop often to have them adjusted. But, I have experience using department store mountain bikes for the winter and can tell you I'd rather use friction shifters for a winter bike for more than one reason. You don't have to have your derailleurs adjusted all the time and can more easilly "force them" when they seem stuck. The convenience of rapid-fire shifters is nice to have though. It's just at what point is someone going to get tired of their shifters if they don't work? Yes, you can replace them and get them adjusted. Not everyone does a great job adjusting derailleurs themselves and don't want to pay for a shop to do it every time. I know my comment may appear out of left field. But I wrote it for practical reasons.
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Well, New Old Stock Shimano Deore for a beginner is better than riding Shimano Tourney. And the bike on craigslist is an XC28. It's well below the XC32 and below the XC30. So, is he going to put a $400 fork on for the first bike he gets? lol

EDIT: I want to make another point about some manufactured bikes. Often, they'll cut corners here and there and put lower quality bottom brackets, rims etc. on bikes. So, if someone were to choose a groupset, you have many choices like disc groupset, V-brake groupset or even trekking groupset with chainguards. YES, I SAID IT, CHAINGUARDS.
http://www.bike24.com/p211923.html
http://www.bike24.com/p211914.html
http://www.bike24.com/p211938.html
Even on bikes that have dynamo hubs, they can choose the ones with model numbers that end in 20, 30 or 35 that have more resistance. Models that have less resistance end in 72, 80 etc.
Chainguards, yet more trailside debris.

I should explain my stance on the lower end forks. The fork makers should be ashamed of the low/entry level stuff they are offering. The high end keeps getting all the improved internals while the low end /entry level are still dealing with the same setups from 15 years ago and the previous high end internals are not trickling down. For example rockshox has motion control, mission control and turn key. They can ditch turn key and introduce motion control to the low end stuff. Until then, junk forks will be the achilles heel with low end mtb's. In fact rock shox should be particularly ashamed for offering a fork with 28mm stanchions and 30mm stanchions still, all of the other makes have phased out those two sizes on a mtb suspension fork. They are even going with 34mm on some of the higher end xc/trail offerings.
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