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Old 01-20-13, 03:47 PM
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Road biker going to check out a mountain bike tomorrow.

As a kid, I only owned mountain bikes and rode through the woods with my friends, and I miss that feeling of the outdoors on a bicycle. It also would be a great change of pace from riding the roads all the time.

I am very happy with my 2012 Giant Defy 1, and the shop I use is great (Westwood Cycle in NJ) and sells Giants primarily. I found this bike, a 2012 Giant Talon 29er 2, which is only $50 more than the $600 I was hoping to spend for a used bike.

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/....2/9041/48916/

The reviews say the bike has a so-so fork and brakes. The components are the same as my cousin's Giant hybrid, which I find to be decent and have been reliable so far. I don't want to spend too much on a beginner bike until I learn to ride well, and know I'm using it enough to warrant the cost of the purchase, as I'm primarily a road biker.

Is this a good enough bike, or should I go back to searching craigslist and forum classifieds?
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Old 01-20-13, 04:18 PM
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nice bike, 29" seems to be the cool kid on the block in mtb latley. fork is 100mm, i dont think it has lockout. removable chainring crankset. i dont know much about sram derailleurs and hopfully that rear wheel is a freehub not a freewheel. SB8s are a nice tire aswell.
nice at that price imo. could def get something really nice used for that price. pends what you want more. remeber buying new will offer you warrenty if thats a selling point for yourself
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Excellent. Yes, a warranty is definitely a great selling point for me. I am handy enough to do some repairs and tuning here and there, but usually diagnosis is where I have trouble. I hope to upgrade a few things as they wear/break if I do get it, also. That's part of the fun for me.

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It looks like a nice bike. And any new bike you get in that price range will have a similar component level. Should be more than adequate to get started on, and you can always upgrade things as they break.
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A good bike and a trustworthy shop are great assets. Enjoy having the option of trails and roads. After 20 years of Fat Tires I broke down and picked up a skinny tired bike. Its good to have options. Call me Fred! Welcome to the Fat Tire crowd!
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Old 01-21-13, 07:50 PM
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As an update, I went in today, and before anything, the salesman and I addressed the issue of fit before picking a bike. The two salesman had differing opinions on mountain bike sizing, so I test rode a medium Specialized Rockhopper, and a small Giant Rebel. The Specialized felt better, but it was the only medium sized 29er they had assembled. So after discussing the bikes available (the 2012 Talon 2 is no longer available), I requested only a 2013 Giant Revel 0 be assembled for me to test ride Saturday. It appears to be very similar to the Talon 2 in terms of components, but the fork offers less travel, but has a lockout (which I don't imagine ever using). My question is, if a bike comes with a 80mm travel fork, can a 100mm travel fork be used instead of it?

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http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/...5888/#overview



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Sure, a 100mm fork will be fine. Will slacken the steering slightly, but not significantly, and 20mm extra travel won't be enough stress on your headtube to really worry.
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Old 01-21-13, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
Sure, a 100mm fork will be fine. Will slacken the steering slightly, but not significantly, and 20mm extra travel won't be enough stress on your headtube to really worry.
Thanks Zephyr! I am sure I'll eventually upgrade the fork and don't want to limit myself as most forks are in the 100mm vicinity.
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Personally, I think lockout is a good trait to have in a fork. Sometimes preload just isn't enough
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Lockouts are an overrated feature that really only come into play when a mountain bike is being used out of its native element - - such as long gravel road climbs or extended sections of pavement.
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Originally Posted by dminor View Post
Lockouts are an overrated feature that really only come into play when a mountain bike is being used out of its native element - - such as long gravel road climbs or extended sections of pavement.
+1. I never use mine, even if I'm on pavement getting to a trail. Good forks do a good enough job of minimizing pedal bob, and cheap forks' lockout is so crappy that it doesn't even work and you can't even notice it's on.
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
cheap forks' lockout is so crappy that it doesn't even work and you can't even notice it's on.
Huh? Why is that? Does the lockout not consist of some mechanism to physically prevent the fork from compressing? N00b question maybe as I don't really know a ton about suspension forks. All I know is my old RockShox Indy XC doesn't have lockout provisions.... unless I jam a block of wood in there or something
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Don't know why. All I know is that I've used three low-end forks and with the lockout on, they still could be compressed. I honestly didn't notice that much of a difference either way and would have no idea whether it was on or not, so I just left it off. I notice a difference when it's on with my more expensive fork, but the ProPedal works well enough that whatever, I don't bother, I'm happy with that. Last fork I bought doesn't even have lockout...I just don't care enough about it as a feature.
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Originally Posted by dminor View Post
Lockouts are an overrated feature that really only come into play when a mountain bike is being used out of its native element - - such as long gravel road climbs or extended sections of pavement.
I use my lockout (Fox Float 32) when climbing. I can notice a substantial difference. The down side is when I start descending and the fork is stilled locked out its a pain. I have learned not to reach down and try to flick it off when I'm getting up some speed. It just aint pretty.
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I guess the take-away from this is that cheap forks are to be avoided?
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If you can. The foremost thing to look for in a fork is if it has some form of adjustable rebound damping. Anything less than that is mearly a pogo stick - - a spring with no control. Anything more is icing on the cake; but rebound damping is the basic characteristic to look for.
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Went in to check out the 2013 Giant Revel 0 and brought her home! Even managed to squeeze out a quick ride up and down a small trail we made to cut across to another street. I had an absolute blast and I can't believe how much better the bike rides than the Specialized I test rode. Night and day. Very happy with my purchase. Without further ado:
On the car in the 20 degree weather

On the trail

The result of a prickerbush after I took off my gloves for some reason
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Looks good!

And even if you had gloves, the pricker bush still would have gotten you. The difference is, you'd take the gloves off, take the prickers out of your hands, put the gloves back on, and get pricked again because there would be prickers stuck in the gloves you didn't notice to take out. (In other words, don't feel bad, I've fallen on cactuses before with gloves and it still sucks)
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Thanks Zephyr! And in that case I don't feel so bad. My shop was telling me they do mountain bike group rides every Sunday, however I think I"m going to take it out onto a fire trail alone next week to get the hang of it a bit better. Still don't have that confidence yet, and need to get that front shock dialed in. It's quite stiff as it is now, but still dives quite a bit on braking. Very excited though. Thanks again for everyone's help!
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Weight back when you brake. Get out of the saddle and get back behind it, which becomes even more important if you're going fast and stopping quickly or going downhill. You can even tip the pedals back a bit so your feet are behind them driving into them. Shouldn't dive as much. Look at this guy:
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Zephyr, I noticed on the bike when I tried braking on my wet driveway that the back tire was quick to lock up. I guess I see why now. Thanks for the tip!
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The result of a prickerbush after I took off my gloves for some reason
awwwwww....someone got a widdle boo boo.

suck it up pansy
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awwwwww....someone got a widdle boo boo.

suck it up pansy
Go away.
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I do think your new bike looks cool.
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I do think your new bike looks cool.
Thanks man.
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