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Old 09-20-14, 09:42 PM
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Tired of Stans Wheels, suggestions please.

I run Stans Arch Ex 29wheels, and they are awesome sturdy wheels, but I am tired of having to avoid certain tires because they are so damn hard to mount, if not impossible. That being said I would like to get a new set of UST Tubeless wheels for around the same price (under $500 if possible). From what I understand is that Stans rims are taller because they go by their own tubeless standard, rather than the UST standard. Am I correct on this, or is that a bunch of garbage? I dont think I should go through 5 tire levers on one tire before I get it mounted.

Would I be crazy to just get a new set of rims and mount them to the Stans hubs?


Has anyone tried Williams Cycling mountain wheels? They are pretty low priced and seem like a great deal. I know I have heard nothing but good about their road wheels...


Any suggestions on a wheel set or rims?
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Old 09-21-14, 05:51 AM
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My take on hard to mount tires is improper installation, all wheels are spec'd the same for diameter because they have to meet industry standards for tire manufactures but the inside of the rim is where you find the differences. Almost all tires can be installed without a tire lever if you pay attention to the installation process and that's assuming you are using the wheel as recommended by the manufacturer because some people will add more tape to the wheel to build up the channel so inflating a tubeless tire will be easier but this makes installing the tire very difficult because you need the tire on the opposite side your trying to get over the rim to be squeezed together and down in the center of the rim to effortlessly get the bead over without a lever or with minimal lever use. I'd say just check to see what your tape situation is (if you have tape) before you give up on the Stan's wheels and hopefully you'll correct the problem and if you do end up wanting a new set of wheels look for a set that does not require rim tape like my Easton Haven's which have a sealed channel with no spoke nipples so no tape is needed and I swap my tires without levers effortlessly. As far as Williams wheels go, their product looks very good on paper and on the bike but they're a budget option and there's not much feedback out there. I'd save up and get a nice set of wheels from Easton, Shimano, I9, etc...
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Originally Posted by dvdslw View Post
My take on hard to mount tires is improper installation, all wheels are spec'd the same for diameter because they have to meet industry standards for tire manufactures but the inside of the rim is where you find the differences. Almost all tires can be installed without a tire lever if you pay attention to the installation process and that's assuming you are using the wheel as recommended by the manufacturer because some people will add more tape to the wheel to build up the channel so inflating a tubeless tire will be easier but this makes installing the tire very difficult because you need the tire on the opposite side your trying to get over the rim to be squeezed together and down in the center of the rim to effortlessly get the bead over without a lever or with minimal lever use. I'd say just check to see what your tape situation is (if you have tape) before you give up on the Stan's wheels and hopefully you'll correct the problem and if you do end up wanting a new set of wheels look for a set that does not require rim tape like my Easton Haven's which have a sealed channel with no spoke nipples so no tape is needed and I swap my tires without levers effortlessly. As far as Williams wheels go, their product looks very good on paper and on the bike but they're a budget option and there's not much feedback out there. I'd save up and get a nice set of wheels from Easton, Shimano, I9, etc...

thanks for the feedback. I don't think I would point it to improper installation though, I have watched my LBS have so many problems with many different brands of tires. Some tires though slide on like butter, no tools required. I see what you are saying about the tape though and I have tried Stans tape installed as recommended, and 2 other kinds of tape, doesn't seem to make much difference.

I have looked at those Haven wheels, they seem real nice and I may end up doing just that.
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Old 09-21-14, 06:24 AM
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thanks for the feedback. I don't think I would point it to improper installation though, I have watched my LBS have so many problems with many different brands of tires. Some tires though slide on like butter, no tools required. I see what you are saying about the tape though and I have tried Stans tape installed as recommended, and 2 other kinds of tape, doesn't seem to make much difference.

I have looked at those Haven wheels, they seem real nice and I may end up doing just that.
It was just a thought because even though I know how to install tubeless tires correctly I still tend to try and rush through the process and it becomes difficult. If I slow down and concentrate on what I'm doing and where the tire is on the rim it suddenly becomes easy. I love the Havens because they're light and true tubeless, I also got a killer deal on a closeout set.
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Originally Posted by dvdslw View Post
It was just a thought because even though I know how to install tubeless tires correctly I still tend to try and rush through the process and it becomes difficult. If I slow down and concentrate on what I'm doing and where the tire is on the rim it suddenly becomes easy. I love the Havens because they're light and true tubeless, I also got a killer deal on a closeout set.
I am going to look into them for sure. I know what you are saying, it can get frustrating putting a tire on and you get mad then it all goes south. Its happened to me haha. Usually if I start getting frustrated i just leave it until the next day and re-approach.
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Wetting the tire bead and rim with soap suds first? Putting the first bead into the center channel?
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I ran tubeless Stans Crests for about a year (loved them) with Bontrager XR series tires, only switching to Crankbrothers Cobalt 11s recently as I wanted carbon hoops (not so much weight but for stiffness). I found Stans to be no harder to get that last bit of a TLR tire over than anything else. The carbon Cobalts were really tough as carbon doesn't give at all. I used two Pedros levers working in shorter sections until it gradually popped on. I think harder mounting is a good sign that the bead is going to seat really well. Both my Stans and Crankbrothers sealed up with an old Blackburn floor pump.
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Check out American Classic wheels. Other than myself I know a number of guys and girls who have all had great experiences with them. They are priced right and likely have a wheelset that is right for you. American Classic
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Williams Cycling Wheels don't last

Originally Posted by invasionusa View Post
I run Stans Arch Ex 29wheels, and they are awesome sturdy wheels, but I am tired of having to avoid certain tires because they are so damn hard to mount, if not impossible. That being said I would like to get a new set of UST Tubeless wheels for around the same price (under $500 if possible). From what I understand is that Stans rims are taller because they go by their own tubeless standard, rather than the UST standard. Am I correct on this, or is that a bunch of garbage? I dont think I should go through 5 tire levers on one tire before I get it mounted.

Would I be crazy to just get a new set of rims and mount them to the Stans hubs?


Has anyone tried Williams Cycling mountain wheels? They are pretty low priced and seem like a great deal. I know I have heard nothing but good about their road wheels...
I haven't tried their mountain wheels, but I can add some info on the road wheel front. I have had the WS30x on my road bike and just recently noticed that the rims are cracking at the nipples after 3.5 years of use. I got the 30x because it was advertised as being "bomb proof." This is definitely not the case.

Here's is Keith's response to my inquiry about the cracks:
"You have a race day set of wheels at only 1600 grams. Probably one pound less than your previous wheelset if they lasted 10 years. New tech is awesome and very light with superior performance. The down side you are not going to get the same life span as a heavier set of wheels. This life span is normal for a 1600 gram wheelset."

I was initially pretty excited about the wheels given their stiffness and that they were relatively lightweight. A few months in I had a problem with the freewheel - the pawls went bad - resulting in a loud ratchety sound. Keith was very responsive and shipped me a new freewheel quickly. Problem solved. But long term, these wheels don't stand up.

They're really geared toward racers (which I didn't realize when I purchased). If you want durability, stay far far away from Williams Cycling.
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WTB uses UST bead shape but is not true UST because you still need to use tape and sealant to seal the spoke holes and rim joint. I've had good results with various tubeless ready, UST, and not-tubeless tires on them. I also have had good luck with Velocity rims, but they do not have a UST style bead seat.
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Old 02-11-15, 03:35 PM
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So what did the OP end up doing? This was 6 months ago he was asking... surely he bought something.

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WTB uses UST bead shape but is not true UST because you still need to use tape and sealant to seal the spoke holes and rim joint. I've had good results with various tubeless ready, UST, and not-tubeless tires on them. I also have had good luck with Velocity rims, but they do not have a UST style bead seat.
Yep.

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My take on hard to mount tires is improper installation, all wheels are spec'd the same for diameter because they have to meet industry standards for tire manufactures but the inside of the rim is where you find the differences.
Mostly wrong, but a little bit right. Bead shape and size is hugely important, I agree. There are now several tubeless rims with no clincher bead at all. Stans' Bead Socket Technology has both a different shape and slightly larger diameter than ETRTO.

And tires, the two official standards are ETRTO and UST. The rest is up to the tire manufacturer. I am absolutely positive that Geax TNT tires are smaller than ETRTO and they fit extremely snug on a normal wheel and a UST wheel.

10 years ago, Stans BST was a great idea. There was only UST, and it was very heavy, and normal tubed tires.

Today there are many tubeless ready tires with the UST square bead and they work magically on rims with the corresponding square bead. They work terribly on BST rims. If the OP actually hasn't done anything yet, I would sell the stans wheels complete or use them with standard tires as they were designed to be used. Also watch out with standard tires; some of them are known to delaminate when sealants containing ammonia are used. (Kenda and Maxxis are infamous for this, that's why they have SCT and TR models specifically.)


If you want 'tubeless ready' tires then get a new set of wheels with the UST bead.
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Old 02-14-15, 07:42 AM
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UST is dying/dead, kinda like Betamax, TR wins. OP has Stans Flow EX, they are a newer design that allows easier tyre mounting. Not sure what his issue is but there is a plethora of TR tyres these days.
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