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Old 09-26-14, 06:56 PM
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Roadie wants to "shred" with a entry level-race ready MTB Hard tail -how much to pay?

Looking to get into MTBing with an entry-level but race ready bike. If you're a roadie reading this I'd like something that's an equivalent to a CAAD with 105/Rival components.

I'm running a $1500 budget but of course cheaper is better. I've looked into:

Kona Cinder Cone
http://www.konaworld.com/cinder_cone.cfm
Scott Scale 760
http://www.scott-sports.com/us/en/pr...-760-%28CN%29/
Felt 7 Sixty
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2015...5/7-sixty.aspx

All have similar components (Cinder Cone has probably one of the top end ones + every bike has RockShox XC30).

I personally like the Scott for it's looks/color, Kona for it's components, Felt for it's price @ 999. Maybe you guys can impart something to me when it comes to geometry/racing.

Thank you.

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I personally feel spending $1500 on a non-carbon bike is "pretty" expensive but I don't really know how MTB companies come up with prices (as you can find $1500 carbon road bikes w/ 105). I'm sure the fork contribute a lot with the price.

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Old 09-26-14, 08:25 PM
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Have you had the chance to test ride them yet? If not, try them out. Mountain bike fitting is more art than science than road bike fitting is, and personal preference and riding style play a big role. It looks like the Scott has the best components, but all of that is moot if one of the other bikes fits and feels better.
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11 View Post
Have you had the chance to test ride them yet? If not, try them out. Mountain bike fitting is more art than science than road bike fitting is, and personal preference and riding style play a big role. It looks like the Scott has the best components, but all of that is moot if one of the other bikes fits and feels better.
Unfortunately I don't have that option of pre-riding it. I've tried to look for anything my size (XS,S depending on which company) and there's nada unless I go womens.

What makes the Scott better components wise? I thought the fork on the Kona is better and so is the dropper post that it comes with.
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I *think* the forks are the same. The fork on the Scott is an XC 30 TK Solo Air, but unless it's something that's only offered on completes (which is also very possible), the only 30 Solo Air is the Gold TK.

Scott is Deore/XT 10-speed (probably roughly equivalent to 105/Ultegra). Kona is Alivio/Deore 9-speed (probably roughly equivalent to Tiagra/105). Alivio isn't bad though, and will shift fine...it'll just need to be adjusted more often to continue shifting crisply. Kona's brakes look to be better, but they're both cheap hydros. Really, it's probably a push, I'd just go with the 10-speed so it's easier in case I broke off the RD and wanted to upgrade down the line.

Didn't notice the Kona had a dropper post. Do some research on it. If it seems to get decent reviews, that's a nice bonus. If not, I'd be wary of cheap dropper posts...for a long time, even the higher end ones had reliability problems. I'm assuming probably they're better by now, but you're looking at a Kona OEM post, not a Fox D.O.S.S. or RS Reverb, so see what other people who have used it have to say.
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Scott gets my vote.

I don't own one but put in plenty of seat time on several Scotts and like them.
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Old 09-27-14, 03:55 PM
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Thanks guys! I'm gonna give the Scott some thoughts this weekend. Of all the 3 I'm really attracted to it paint-wise. Let's face it, it's a huge factor when buying bikes!

I looked at the Felt Nine 6 which is an "entry" level 29er with carbon frame. It's the same price as the Kona but I'm kinda worried it'll be "too big" for me. I've seen some 29ers in XS and S and they look a bit odd.

BTW
are these prices really expected for bikes at this level? I know there's bikesdirect bikes that are "bang for buck" (had one before), but I don't really know how pricing goes for MTBs.

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I haven't been keeping track of LBS bike prices but they do apear to have gone up yet again. Last time I looked $1k+ a bit would get you a Recon level shock instead of the entry level XC line. If I were spending that kind of money and you could live with going online I go with Airborne Bicycles. Goblin
The only thing I don't like about that bike is the Avid brakes but I'd live with them to get that Reba fork which is two steps above an XC. At your size you might also be able to get lucky and find a left over last year's bike at a huge discount on sites like Jenson, REI, and the like. The less common sizes are the ones they usually have like XL and XS.
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Seems like 29ers cost are much higher than a 26ers.
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Old 09-28-14, 10:31 AM
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Not really. If anything 29ers are more common than 26ers now. The 27.5ers are a new fad and are stilll a bit more expensive.
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After reading the OP I was going to suggest an Airborne Goblin also. It's hard to beat for the money.
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Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post
After reading the OP I was going to suggest an Airborne Goblin also. It's hard to beat for the money.
I gotta be honest that paint is not sexy at all and that's a deal breaker for me. The components are bang on what I'm looking for though at my pricepoint.

I think I'm going with the Scott. The Felt leaves something to be desired and the Kona's $100 more than the Scott.

Already picked up some Shimano M088 shoes and M785 pedals. This off-season on the trails should be great.

btw, the comments about 29ers V 26ers: I see a lot MORE 29ers out there. I did consider looking for some 26s but the choices are pretty slim out there (in my eyes)

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Old 09-28-14, 08:58 PM
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Have you looked at bikes direct? I rode a motobecane 550ht (with a ton of upgrades after buying it) and it ended up being an amazing custom hartail for about 1200.

There are some complete builds that are sick. I've ridden the fandom 29 fs. It was amazing for the 1500 pricetag
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If I were you, I'd look at the giant talon 27.5. I picked up the "4" model for about $450 out the door and the thing is impressive. The crank and for suck (bouth low end suntour) but still prefom well enough to not ruin the ride. The geo is a bit more agressive and geared toward xc/enduro racing. I belive it's similar (if not the same) as there xtc model. The low end shimano rd works suprisingly well and top that off with tektro hydraulic disks and you've got a winning package at a great price point.

Considering how how much your willing to spend though, I'd look into the "1" model. You get a rock shock gold 30 and deoire gruppo. Plus some better rims. Montain bikes can get pricey really quick, and even if you don't like the giant brand you'd be better off going with a company like them for your first bike. Before I picked her up I was looking at c'dale, spec, ect. But giant had the best bang for buck I've found in the sub 1k range.

ymmv. Good luck worth the search!
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Originally Posted by KantoBoy View Post
I gotta be honest that paint is not sexy at all and that's a deal breaker for me. The components are bang on what I'm looking for though at my pricepoint.

I think I'm going with the Scott. The Felt leaves something to be desired and the Kona's $100 more than the Scott.

Already picked up some Shimano M088 shoes and M785 pedals. This off-season on the trails should be great.

btw, the comments about 29ers V 26ers: I see a lot MORE 29ers out there. I did consider looking for some 26s but the choices are pretty slim out there (in my eyes)
You're right on about the paint. I wish Airborne would have used the Seeker color or something similar for the Goblin. The Scott looks really nice.

I came to 29ers from road riding too. My experience is the same as yours - there are way more 29s than 26 on the trails now.

Also, be prepared for your road bike fit to feel off after having spent time on the 29. Every time I get back on my road bike it takes me a few miles to get back and accustomed to the fit.
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I gotta be honest that paint is not sexy at all and that's a deal breaker for me. The components are bang on what I'm looking for though at my pricepoint.
Your inner roadie is coming out lol. If it is that big of a deal take it apart and have it powder coated for $100 later or step down to the Airborne Bicycles. Seeker which is still better than the Scott.
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26 is holding for the crazy air seeker boys, maybe some DH freaks but that's about it. And still a good choice for smaller people or younger riders.

29er geo is getting better so they are getting very nimble.

I had a 29er HT , a Scott and have moved to a 27.5/650b Scott Spark and am much happier.

They say 29er's roll over everything and get hung up less..
They say that but after trying to get hung on my 650b I don't buy it anymore....

My smaller wheels accelerate, pop over, hop up out of holes better. I don't get hung up, but still for open X Country I would want a 29er altho it
would have to have a very light wheel tire combo...

Every pound of rolling mass reduced has the same performance effect as removing Two pounds of static bike weight....
So If a set of 29er rollers are on average 2 pounds more,, the bike better be 4 pounds less.

Just sayin,

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Nino Schuerter can't be a bad act to follow! Get the Scott. I have a Spark 20. I love it. But then again, there anywhere from 5-50 bikes that I would love. Go with the one that has the best color scheme.
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Your inner roadie is coming out lol. If it is that big of a deal take it apart and have it powder coated for $100 later or step down to the Airborne Bicycles. Seeker which is still better than the Scott.
That Seeker is looking very attractive at $929.

and the inner roadie comment made me chuckle. lol. It's so true.
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Originally Posted by megalowmatt View Post

Also, be prepared for your road bike fit to feel off after having spent time on the 29. Every time I get back on my road bike it takes me a few miles to get back and accustomed to the fit.
This kinda opened my eyes earlier today. I test rode a 29er today (a size bigger than what I'm supposed to ride but the stem length and saddle length was good enough) and it was like driving a truck. I felt the need to "tuck" right away. I'm a very flexible guy running a slammed stem and a traditional bend bar...boy this is gonna be so much fun trying to figure out what will work for me.
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wow that seeker is sexy
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dude look at the diamondback overdrives they are really good bang for the buck they where bicycle mags best bike under 1k I luv mine give one a try
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This kinda opened my eyes earlier today. I test rode a 29er today (a size bigger than what I'm supposed to ride but the stem length and saddle length was good enough) and it was like driving a truck. I felt the need to "tuck" right away. I'm a very flexible guy running a slammed stem and a traditional bend bar...boy this is gonna be so much fun trying to figure out what will work for me.
There's a bit of getting used to the feel & ride of an 29er. You'll probably notice you have less standover (not really a big deal) and I have found myself feeling like I want to get a bit lower on my mountain bike than most. The more you ride and especially get on some more technical trails you'll probably appreciate not being too low.

And I can't stress enough - don't second guess your road bike fit after riding the 29er. I've done it plenty of times and it takes me 5-7 miles to begin to realize it's right and I was just used to the 29. I've learned to resist the urge to tinker and remind myself I have the fit of the road bike dialed in.

Let us know what you decide on.
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some update:

it looks like I'm unable to get the Scott after all as the delivery ETA is 3 months from now. My 2 other choices are err, since I've been reading a lot lately, aren't really bang for buck.

I did explore other bikes and I might commit with this:

https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain...er/charger-72/

2014 Norco Charger 7.2

I unfortunately won't be able to get any % off for it being a 2015 bike but it's the most I'm willing to spend including taxes. The only downside is probably the paint (not really a fan but I just might fall in love with it) and the ETA is early next month.

I hope this is "it". I'm going to visit some shops tomorrow and over the weekend to see who's willing to budge a little bit with the price.
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