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Old 01-26-16, 04:02 PM
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Bridges across Delaware River south of Philly

Any bridges you can ride across south of Philly or is the last bridge across the Delaware River in Philly. Is US322 legal to ride across. I thought looking at the Rand McNally Atlas that there wasn't anything south of Philly but looking at ridewithgps a minute ago I do see 322 as the last possible option, supposedly.
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There are no bridges you can legally ride or walk across south of Philadelphia. The Delaware River Port Authority (DRPA) does not allow bicycles on the roadways of any their bridges (including US322), and allows only limited access to the walkway on the Ben Franklin Bridge between Philadelphia and Camden.

Normally, one of the 2 walkways on the Ben Franklin Bridge is open during roughly daylight hours (DRPA :: Delaware River Port Authority), but subject to closure due to bad weather, maintenance, or many other reasons. I would check before arriving if you plan to ride it. In theory, you can also take your bike on a PATCO train with 24 hour access, but I've never ridden PATCO.


The DRPA prohibits bicycles on the Commodore Barry Bridge(US322), Rand McNally not withstanding. I haven't seen any signs prohibiting bicycles on US322 on either side of the bridge (I've only ridden on the PA side), but the access ramps and bridge prohibit bicycles.


Here is a NJ State website listing the bridges (including the DE Memorial Bridge, I-295)
Biking in New Jersey, Bridges and Tunnels, Commuting, Commuter Information

The Bicycle Coalition of Philadelphia also summarized the bridge information in the NJ website.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r3v968z1yvdi8xm/Crossover.pdf
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Every year I do several short tours in S. Jersey. I use PATCO to get beyond Camden. I also used to use PATCO as part of my bike-train-bike commute when I had to work in NJ three days/week. PATCO is very bike-friendly and has been for more than a decade. The station at the end of the line in Philly has one elevator (SW corner of 15th & Locust) from the street down to the concourse and then a second elevator from the concourse to the platform. The former usually smells like piss, but it's better than trying to negotiate the steep (and sometimes wet) steps from street level to the concourse. The steps from the concourse to the platform are easier, especially with a light load. On the NJ side, some of the stations have elevators. I know Woodcrest and Lindenwold do. And I am sure one of the two stops in downtown Camden does, if not both. But I think that is it.
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Originally Posted by AngeloDolce
Here is a NJ State website listing the bridges (including the DE Memorial Bridge, I-295)
Biking in New Jersey, Bridges and Tunnels, Commuting, Commuter Information
VERY valuable link, THANK YOU. I still remember last summer's bike trip trying to get across the Delaware around the Columbia Bridge. Took forever and turning in circles for what seemed like ages before the stink started to really smell and I tried heading north and found the footbridge.

I got to say it seems like the Hudson and Delaware Rivers are the biggest pain in the butts to deal with.
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Originally Posted by bikenh
VERY valuable link, THANK YOU. I still remember last summer's bike trip trying to get across the Delaware around the Columbia Bridge. Took forever and turning in circles for what seemed like ages before the stink started to really smell and I tried heading north and found the footbridge.

I got to say it seems like the Hudson and Delaware Rivers are the biggest pain in the butts to deal with.
Yeah. The NJ side of the bridge between Columbia, NJ and Portland, PA can be difficult to find if you are unfamiliar with the area. On the PA side you can see it from PA 611 and there is a PA Bike Route sign pointing the way. That general area of the Delaware is not that bad. You have crossings at I-80 (pedestrian/bike way along side the highway) at Delaware Water Gap, PA, Portland PA/Columbia, NJ and then more than a half dozen others heading down to Trenton. The coolest one is at Riegelsville, PA. It was designed and built by Roebling of Brooklyn Bridge fame. North of DWG, there is a private toll bridge at Dingman's Ferry. Bikes are required to pay the same toll as cars.
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Originally Posted by bikenh
I got to say it seems like the Hudson and Delaware Rivers are the biggest pain in the butts to deal with.
How is the Hudson a pain in the butt? The George Washington Bridge has a bike lane; though it is unfortunately closed overnight.

And there are several inexpensive and bike-friendly ferries that operate between points in Manhattan and ferry terminals in Jersey City, Hoboken, and Weehawken.

The river that really seems to be a barrier is the Susquehanna. Having ridden from New York to Philadelphia, I wondered what the next logical step would be; and then the idea dawned on me of riding from Philadelphia to Baltimore.

But when I started researching this, I found that there is no legal way to get a bike across the Susquehanna River from Perryville to Havre de Grace.



https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5563.../data=!5m1!1e3

Note the big gap in the green bike-lane line that otherwise runs pretty much continuously between the Delaware/Maryland border and Baltimore.

A couple of years ago, Streetsblog did a story on this issue.
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Originally Posted by Ferdinand NYC
The river that really seems to be a barrier is the Susquehanna. Having ridden from New York to Philadelphia, I wondered what the next logical step would be; and then the idea dawned on me of riding from Philadelphia to Baltimore.
Do you know if U.S. 1 across the dam still bike-legal? I crossed there, but that was way back in 1997 during a ride from Kennett Sq., PA to Baltimore. That was early on a cold, rainy, fall Sunday so there was almost no traffic. I remember it was something I would probably not want to do under heavier traffic conditions.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Do you know if U.S. 1 across the dam still bike-legal? I crossed there, but that was way back in 1997 during a ride from Kennett Sq., PA to Baltimore. That was early on a cold, rainy, fall Sunday so there was almost no traffic. I remember it was something I would probably not want to do under heavier traffic conditions.
The Streetsblog story touches upon this:

"To do that [to get across the Susquehanna River], according to Google Maps, you’d have to go about 12 miles north of Havre de Grace (and the most natural route up the Northeast Corridor) and cross on the Conowingo Road bridge, where walking and biking is technically permitted. But there is no walkway on the Conowingo Road bridge, or even a shoulder, and the bridge is a mile long with heavy car traffic at times."

So it seems that that option technically exists. But, as you have experienced, it is only barely feasible.

The pictures on Google Maps Street View, which are from 2009, look pretty uninviting.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Do you know if U.S. 1 across the dam still bike-legal? I crossed there, but that was way back in 1997 during a ride from Kennett Sq., PA to Baltimore. That was early on a cold, rainy, fall Sunday so there was almost no traffic. I remember it was something I would probably not want to do under heavier traffic conditions.
If you are talking about the Susquehanna crossing as Ferdinand mentions...it's the only legal crossing until you get up just southeast of York, PA. The pavement on the east and west side of the bridge is horrible. I can't believe the stupid goons at MDTA makes bike ride that way to get into Baltimore versus letting them ride US40. I rode, not knowing it was illegal until afterwards, US40 back in 2014 going down to Annapolis. 2015 I rode US1. US1 sucks. I would much rather ride US40. It has just as wide of a shoulder as US1 but its 4 lane, not 2 lane. MDTA is so stupid. If your talking the Delaware crossing, I'm not sure where that is at so I can't say for sure. I'm guessing you have to cross the DE somewhere on US1, probably in Philly isn't it.

I've thought about DE Water Gap but have forgotten since I thruhiked back in 1997 what the road access was like after you get off the sidewalk. Been way too darn many years
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Do you know if U.S. 1 across the dam still bike-legal? I crossed there, but that was way back in 1997 during a ride from Kennett Sq., PA to Baltimore. That was early on a cold, rainy, fall Sunday so there was almost no traffic. I remember it was something I would probably not want to do under heavier traffic conditions.
I bicycled across the US 1/Conowingo Dam in 2001 and 2007; from Bikenh's comment it was legal in 2015 also. My impression is that it easy for the MD SHA to restrict toll facilities to motor vehicles (like the bridge on Route 40), but difficult for them to ban bicycles on ordinary roads with speed limits of 50mph or lower (i.e. US1/Conowingo Dam) so I expect it will continue to be legal for bicyclists.

The bridge is straight with decent sight lines. To split hairs, I'd agree it sucks and would not recommend it to beginners. I would not say it is only barely feasible on a bicycle or that it is as unsafe as Streetsblog claims (and that the SHA should be allowed to ban bicyclists for their own safety). I would not want to cross it as a pedestrian

That said, when I lived in Baltimore (early 90's) the SHA openly dismissed bicyclists' rights to use the roads, regardless of explicit statements by state representatives, and the facilities I've seen in Baltimore seem to have been installed by motorists who would never be required to use them.
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Originally Posted by AngeloDolce
I bicycled across the US 1/Conowingo Dam in 2001 and 2007; from Bikenh's comment it was legal in 2015 also. My impression is that it easy for the MD SHA to restrict toll facilities to motor vehicles (like the bridge on Route 40), but difficult for them to ban bicycles on ordinary roads with speed limits of 50mph or lower (i.e. US1/Conowingo Dam) so I expect it will continue to be legal for bicyclists.

The bridge is straight with decent sight lines. To split hairs, I'd agree it sucks and would not recommend it to beginners. I would not say it is only barely feasible on a bicycle or that it is as unsafe as Streetsblog claims (and that the SHA should be allowed to ban bicyclists for their own safety). I would not want to cross it as a pedestrian

That said, when I lived in Baltimore (early 90's) the SHA openly dismissed bicyclists' rights to use the roads, regardless of explicit statements by state representatives, and the facilities I've seen in Baltimore seem to have been installed by motorists who would never be required to use them.
I definitely would never walk across it, not in a million years. If the pavement at both ends was better I wouldn't think a thing about it. The bad pavement is where the problem lies right now. On the bridge itself it isn't that bad but you have to get on the bridge first(coming from the east) and then, as I remember, right before you get off the bridge you have another stretch of pavement that needs redone. Otherwise there isn't much difference between riding it and riding any other road that doesn't have much of a shoulder. Yeah, I would ride it again, simply because I have no other real choice unless I go clear up into PA.
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Two thumbs-up for PATCO, we rode from Reading, PA to the shore last summer and used PATCO from Philly to just east of Camden. It was a bear getting the tandem down the stairs and onto the train but everything was on the train, I moved to the end of the car and out of others way. I ask about crossing here on the forum someone mentioned PATCO. The cool thing was on of the PATCO staff joined the Bike Forum and let me know it would be fine even with our long bike but to avoid the rush time which I think was 3:30 to 6:30 which we did. We got some funny looks bringing the bike down the stairs and onto the train. One "snooty" traveler was put-off because it required a 3-point -turn to get the bike on and down the aisle, she told us we shouldn't be there. We shared our communication with the PATCO rep and though we got a glare all went well.
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I definitely would never walk across it, not in a million years. If the pavement at both ends was better I wouldn't think a thing about it. The bad pavement is where the problem lies right now. On the bridge itself it isn't that bad but you have to get on the bridge first(coming from the east) and then, as I remember, right before you get off the bridge you have another stretch of pavement that needs redone. Otherwise there isn't much difference between riding it and riding any other road that doesn't have much of a shoulder. Yeah, I would ride it again, simply because I have no other real choice unless I go clear up into PA.
I haven't ridden the bridge since 2007 - it sounds like the road surface has gotten substantially worse.

I also used the bridge because it was the only legal route over the Susquehanna, and basically don't go to Southern NJ because using the Ben Franklin or Tacony Palmyra bridges require detours of 50 miles or so
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I haven't ridden the bridge since 2007 - it sounds like the road surface has gotten substantially worse.
The thing that makes it the worst is on both sides of the bridge you are coming down a decent drop to the bridge deck so you are carrying plenty of speed onto the bad pavement before you get onto the bridge. Both sides as I remember it from last year also has a curve right before getting to the bridge deck. Just so many things that add up to make it now the nicest of experiences by a long shot that aren't there on US40. They should switch which bridge a biker can ride across...or take care of the pavement issue on US1. Granted that would be a real fun issue given the way 'big' projects like that are dealt with. Knowing MD and how stupid they are they would do it during the day instead of doing it overnight.
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I ask about crossing here on the forum someone mentioned PATCO.
That was probably me. Last year I did at least two, three-day trips down to Belleplain State Forest using PATCO for the trip down. I go to the end of the line in Lindenwold and then ride 54 miles to Woodbine, which is inland from Sea Isle City. Instead of riding back to PATCO on Sunday I have taken to riding to the coast and then north to A.C. to pick up the NJT train. My last trip was that freak weekend in December when it got into the 70s on Sunday. I had breakfast outdoors in Ocean City. Santa paid a visit to the café across the street and was entertaining the kids while I was eating an omelet in summer riding clothes.
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If you are talking about the Susquehanna crossing as Ferdinand mentions...it's the only legal crossing until you get up just southeast of York, PA. The pavement on the east and west side of the bridge is horrible. I can't believe the stupid goons at MDTA makes bike ride that way to get into Baltimore versus letting them ride US40. I rode, not knowing it was illegal until afterwards, US40 back in 2014 going down to Annapolis. 2015 I rode US1. US1 sucks. I would much rather ride US40. It has just as wide of a shoulder as US1 but its 4 lane, not 2 lane. MDTA is so stupid. If your talking the Delaware crossing, I'm not sure where that is at so I can't say for sure. I'm guessing you have to cross the DE somewhere on US1, probably in Philly isn't it.

I've thought about DE Water Gap but have forgotten since I thruhiked back in 1997 what the road access was like after you get off the sidewalk. Been way too darn many years
You may (or may not) get your choice to use US40.

Bicyclists given green light to cross Hatem

However, motorists seem to find this more complicated than just considering bicyclists legal traffic on a public highway. According to the press release and news articles, the MDTA hasn't yet decided what hours to allow bicyclists on the bridge, and hasn't figured out how to use EZ Pass readers or license plates cameras to collect tolls from bicyclists. (MDTA no longer accepts cash on this bridge.)

Thomas J Hatem Memorial Bridge

I can't tell if it's the Cecil Daily News journalist or the MDTA who is concerned that bicyclists will be on the bridge once the Transportation Secretary gives them access. Either way, I'm not sure how else bicyclists are supposed to cross it.

Hatem Bridge to welcome bicyclists July 1 - Cecil Daily: Local News
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Originally Posted by AngeloDolce
You may (or may not) get your choice to use US40.

Bicyclists given green light to cross Hatem

However, motorists seem to find this more complicated than just considering bicyclists legal traffic on a public highway. According to the press release and news articles, the MDTA hasn't yet decided what hours to allow bicyclists on the bridge, and hasn't figured out how to use EZ Pass readers or license plates cameras to collect tolls from bicyclists. (MDTA no longer accepts cash on this bridge.)

Thomas J Hatem Memorial Bridge

I can't tell if it's the Cecil Daily News journalist or the MDTA who is concerned that bicyclists will be on the bridge once the Transportation Secretary gives them access. Either way, I'm not sure how else bicyclists are supposed to cross it.

Hatem Bridge to welcome bicyclists July 1 - Cecil Daily: Local News
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should be no toll. Tolls are supposed to be charged for those that are doing the damage to the road/bridge and bicycles aren't doing the damage. Hence why most of the Hudson River crossing don't have a toll fee for crossing them. I'm not sure but I don't think most of the DE River bridges have tolls either for bicyclists to cross them.

Now one strange thing I have to ask. From what I remember from riding across the Hatem Bridge, illegally...not knowing it was illegal at the time, back in June 2014, there was only tolls being collected going eastbound. I notice when I looked at the 301(Nice Bridge) it suggests tolls are only collected in the southbound lanes on the webpage. I don't see the same reference(only going eastbound) being mentioned for the Hatem Bridge. Did they change that since June 2014 and add tolls going both ways?

Unfortunately for my next trip down that way it'll still be too soon, err before July 1st. DRATS!(:

My simple idea for the past year of how to take care of the narrow shoulder has been to put a WALK button at both ends of the bridge. The cyclist approaching the bridge must go up and press the WALK button and wait to be given the signal. At that point a sign lights up and stays lit for 5 minutes saying 'Cyclist On Bridge, Move Left'. Granted if they give walkers access to the bridge the sign would have to stay lit much loner but for cyclists the bridge isn't more than a 5 minute ride across it. Like I said I've already ridden across it once...and would much rather ride it than ride US1 across the Susquehanna any day of the year.
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SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!

Should be no toll. Tolls are supposed to be charged for those that are doing the damage to the road/bridge and bicycles aren't doing the damage. Hence why most of the Hudson River crossing don't have a toll fee for crossing them. I'm not sure but I don't think most of the DE River bridges have tolls either for bicyclists to cross them.

Now one strange thing I have to ask. From what I remember from riding across the Hatem Bridge, illegally...not knowing it was illegal at the time, back in June 2014, there was only tolls being collected going eastbound. I notice when I looked at the 301(Nice Bridge) it suggests tolls are only collected in the southbound lanes on the webpage. I don't see the same reference(only going eastbound) being mentioned for the Hatem Bridge. Did they change that since June 2014 and add tolls going both ways?

Unfortunately for my next trip down that way it'll still be too soon, err before July 1st. DRATS!(:

My simple idea for the past year of how to take care of the narrow shoulder has been to put a WALK button at both ends of the bridge. ... Like I said I've already ridden across it once...and would much rather ride it than ride US1 across the Susquehanna any day of the year.


Bicycle Access on Hatem Bridge Begins July 1

You will be allowed to use the bridge (for trips after 9am on July 1)

Bicycle hours are severely restricted (daylight only, 9A-3P during week, restrictions for holiday weekend). - Bicyclists will also be prohibited whenever MD SHA thinks motorists will use the bridge due to traffic problems elsewhere.

They've settled on cash and EZ Pass for bicyclists, toll in eastbound directon only - says same $8 toll as cars.
This is not the DE river, and not to pay for damage to the road
The Perryville comments below note that EZ pass requires license plate info and will not issue to bicyclists.
If enforced, this means motorists have unlimited 24 hour access for $9 + $20 per year and passengers are free.
EZ pass also looks like it won't accept anyone over 18 that is bicycling without a driver's license (otherwise legal) Bicyclists pay $8 toll per trip per person, far more expensive for local bicyclists that would routinely cross a 1 mile bridge than the discounted motorist toll.

Bicyclists "should position themselves in the center of the right lane", but "are encouraged to ride single file"

Hatem bike plan questioned by Perryville officials | Local News | cecildaily.com
Bicyclists can begin using Hatem Bridge July 1, rules announced - Baltimore Sun
Lots of motorist opposition, so the change is a trial subject to evaluation in a few months.

The Havre de Grace Mayor seems strongly opposed at letting bicyclists use this 1 mile bridge for recreation.
I'm not sure how he can tell they won't use it for basic transportation, that motorists aren't also abusing this public bridge (if he opposes its use for recreational trips), or why he's not trying to save bicyclists from the danger of making a 24 mile detour and crossing the Conowingo Bridge on Route 1.

I could find many reports of motorists accidents and deaths on the Hatem and Conowingo bridges, but no reports of bicyclist deaths from using the Conowingo Bridge on Route 1. Maybe the bridges should be closed to motorists instead of to bicyclists - after all, they aren't safe.

Maryland State Agencies Named in Negligence Lawsuit over Car Accident Death at Hatem Bridge : Trial Underway in Bel Air, Harford County - Maryland Injury Attorney Blog

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