Great Allegheny Passage Recommendations?
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Great Allegheny Passage Recommendations?
Ya know what? Never mind. I just found a really descriptive site about the GAP and it's definitely not for my wife!
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Very doable with wife. My wife and I rode from Connellsville to DC, stayed in DC area for 7 days, then shuttled back to Frostburg, Md riding back to Connellsville. We had our 3, 5, 10, and 12 year old kids with us. Self contained, camped all but one night due to storms, and stayed with wonderful Warmshowers hosts in Bethesda, Md. 10 and 12 year olds rode own bikes w/ front and rear racks, panniers, tents, bed rolls, food, water, etc. 3 year old on tagalong recumbent. 5 year old on tagalong trailabike. 6 panniers on each of these rigs. Easy cruising from Deal on in...
Alternately, consider the Erie Canal trail or the Katy Trail in MO. Very plush, easy, B&B's, wine, etc. GAP is very scenic though, good surface crushed granite trail some parts paved, and the route that I described is
ALL DOWN HILL except for return by bike and Ohiopyle area !!!
Great Allegheny Passage - www.gaptrail.org
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Erie Canal trail.
Easy to get to, lot's of towns along the way, lot's of options, flat as can be.
Easy to get to, lot's of towns along the way, lot's of options, flat as can be.
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The Erie Canal trail is mind numbingly boring compared to GAP. Stay in Confluence, ride to breakfast in Ohiopyle, or Meyersdale for lunch. I plan to do that with my wife, who is no cyclist. The Parker House is a great base of ops, IMO.
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+1.
BTW...I recently learned that from the GAP you can easily see the house where "Buffalo Bill" from "Silence of the Lambs" lived in the film. It's in Layton, PA, right across the Yough from Perryopolis. Layton Rd. crosses the GAP and the river. The house is less than a half mile once you cross. 6 Circle Rd. is the address. It's actually been for sale for a long time. Sorry, but the basement dungeon was not really part of the house. "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
BTW...I recently learned that from the GAP you can easily see the house where "Buffalo Bill" from "Silence of the Lambs" lived in the film. It's in Layton, PA, right across the Yough from Perryopolis. Layton Rd. crosses the GAP and the river. The house is less than a half mile once you cross. 6 Circle Rd. is the address. It's actually been for sale for a long time. Sorry, but the basement dungeon was not really part of the house. "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
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We did this ride around 8 years ago. 127 miles long, mostly crushed sand and gravel, About 30+ mostly flat miles a day over 4 days. We spent each night in a different B&B along the route. Our luggage was transported for us, and all meals were included.
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As noted, there are some B&B's along the way. Did you look at the services guide on the official trail site?
The interesting thing is that Amtrak is now offering roll-on (i.e., un-boxed) bike service on the Capitol Limited. You could drive to Cumberland, leave you car there, catch the train to PGH with you bikes and then ride back to Cumberland.
Heading north to south also means you go down the steepest part of the trail. In actuality, that seep part is not that bad as the maximum grade you encounter for the entire stretch is 1.5%.
The interesting thing is that Amtrak is now offering roll-on (i.e., un-boxed) bike service on the Capitol Limited. You could drive to Cumberland, leave you car there, catch the train to PGH with you bikes and then ride back to Cumberland.
Heading north to south also means you go down the steepest part of the trail. In actuality, that seep part is not that bad as the maximum grade you encounter for the entire stretch is 1.5%.
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Thank you, but we don't want to drive five hours each way to ride as little as my wife can. She's only good for about twenty miles a day, at best. I might do this ride myself someday, but for now, really, thank you all, but you're not going to be able to talk me into it. I'd have deleted the thread altogether if I could have!
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I don't think anyone was trying to talk you into it. I think some of us were trying to figure out what you were talking about. Saying a trail is "too rustic" doesn't coney the notion that you wife is only good for 20 miles. The SRT in in the Philly area is not rustic in any sense of the word but one would need to go more than 20 miles between lodging options.
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Yeah, I think "rail trails," in general, are a bad option for us as overnights. We enjoy riding them together as day trips, though.
I do several overnighters a year, but this would be our first together. By "rustic," I sort of meant that there seem to be too many trees in between all the 7-Elevens. She is not comfortable enough on a bike to not have an "out" every few miles. That's why the GAP was a bad idea. i guess I just wanted to do it badly enough myself that I was trying to squeeze her into it.
Please don't take offense. I'm sure it's a beautiful ride that I will someday enjoy on my own. For now, if we do an overnighter, it will be closer to home and closer to the Long Island Rail Road!
I do several overnighters a year, but this would be our first together. By "rustic," I sort of meant that there seem to be too many trees in between all the 7-Elevens. She is not comfortable enough on a bike to not have an "out" every few miles. That's why the GAP was a bad idea. i guess I just wanted to do it badly enough myself that I was trying to squeeze her into it.
Please don't take offense. I'm sure it's a beautiful ride that I will someday enjoy on my own. For now, if we do an overnighter, it will be closer to home and closer to the Long Island Rail Road!
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Possibly the wrong forum but as long as I'm here.......anyone done it on a tandem? The only rusticity I'm worried about is that of the trail surface. I've never been on the GAP, but have done the C&O on 26x2.0 tires and the Erie on 26x1.25 and 26x1.5 (separate trips), all on a single bike. I never found those tires to be any kind of handicap, even on the very wet Erie trip on the 1.25s, but again, single bike. I have a set of 700x38c cross tires for our old Burley Duet and could fit a tad bigger at the cost of not running fenders.
Just musing here. We'd probably go back to the Erie first and combine it with Niagara Falls, as Mrs. has a thing for waterfalls.
Just musing here. We'd probably go back to the Erie first and combine it with Niagara Falls, as Mrs. has a thing for waterfalls.
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GAP is fine for a tandem with 38's. Good from Pittsburgh to Cumberland. South of Cumberland on the C&O tow path would be quite a bit more challenging. Particularly with mud and/or downed trees. I have a Bike Friday Triple that would handle the much better trails of the GAP just fine.
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Possibly the wrong forum but as long as I'm here.......anyone done it on a tandem? The only rusticity I'm worried about is that of the trail surface. I've never been on the GAP, but have done the C&O on 26x2.0 tires and the Erie on 26x1.25 and 26x1.5 (separate trips), all on a single bike. I never found those tires to be any kind of handicap, even on the very wet Erie trip on the 1.25s, but again, single bike. I have a set of 700x38c cross tires for our old Burley Duet and could fit a tad bigger at the cost of not running fenders.
Just musing here. We'd probably go back to the Erie first and combine it with Niagara Falls, as Mrs. has a thing for waterfalls.
Just musing here. We'd probably go back to the Erie first and combine it with Niagara Falls, as Mrs. has a thing for waterfalls.
Also, not that you'll need it, but I found that most of GAP gets decent cell reception (with Verizon). C&O is literally you and the woods with no contact for almost the whole thing excepting the occasional town or Harper's Ferry.
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EddNog & AusTexMurf,
Thanks for the advice. Having done the C&O on a single, I wouldn't try it on one of our (road) tandems. We don't have a MTB type tandem so 700x38c is toward the upper limit of possible tire size. The isolation is not an issue but I think it would be a jarring ride.
Maybe we will try the GAP, we'll see.
Thanks for the advice. Having done the C&O on a single, I wouldn't try it on one of our (road) tandems. We don't have a MTB type tandem so 700x38c is toward the upper limit of possible tire size. The isolation is not an issue but I think it would be a jarring ride.
Maybe we will try the GAP, we'll see.
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Greater Niagara Circle Route | Niagara Cycling Tourism Centre
Nice video of the route can be found here:
https://vimeo.com/117364978
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Yeah, I think "rail trails," in general, are a bad option for us as overnights. We enjoy riding them together as day trips, though.
I do several overnighters a year, but this would be our first together. By "rustic," I sort of meant that there seem to be too many trees in between all the 7-Elevens. She is not comfortable enough on a bike to not have an "out" every few miles. That's why the GAP was a bad idea. i guess I just wanted to do it badly enough myself that I was trying to squeeze her into it.
Please don't take offense. I'm sure it's a beautiful ride that I will someday enjoy on my own. For now, if we do an overnighter, it will be closer to home and closer to the Long Island Rail Road!
I do several overnighters a year, but this would be our first together. By "rustic," I sort of meant that there seem to be too many trees in between all the 7-Elevens. She is not comfortable enough on a bike to not have an "out" every few miles. That's why the GAP was a bad idea. i guess I just wanted to do it badly enough myself that I was trying to squeeze her into it.
Please don't take offense. I'm sure it's a beautiful ride that I will someday enjoy on my own. For now, if we do an overnighter, it will be closer to home and closer to the Long Island Rail Road!
Here's an article I found about the trail.
P?tit train du Nord ? GoBiking.ca
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Dendawg: We love Canada and have ridden a lot in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal, but now that I am no longer traveling for business and racking up the air miles, getting there by air will be above our budget. And there's no way I'm going to drive all that distance anymore.
I'm starting to think that a simple ride on Long Island with an overnighter by be a possibility.
I'm starting to think that a simple ride on Long Island with an overnighter by be a possibility.
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Dendawg: We love Canada and have ridden a lot in Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal, but now that I am no longer traveling for business and racking up the air miles, getting there by air will be above our budget. And there's no way I'm going to drive all that distance anymore.
I'm starting to think that a simple ride on Long Island with an overnighter by be a possibility.
I'm starting to think that a simple ride on Long Island with an overnighter by be a possibility.
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Yes, I've ridden out to the east end by myself a few times, and we've ridden around that area together.
For this trip, I'm now thinking something goofier, like riding the Bethpage Bikeway from Syosset to Massapequa, staying over (!) and riding back the next day. Or maybe we can do something similar with one of the bikeways in Westchester or further upstate.
For this trip, I'm now thinking something goofier, like riding the Bethpage Bikeway from Syosset to Massapequa, staying over (!) and riding back the next day. Or maybe we can do something similar with one of the bikeways in Westchester or further upstate.
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Yes, I've ridden out to the east end by myself a few times, and we've ridden around that area together.
For this trip, I'm now thinking something goofier, like riding the Bethpage Bikeway from Syosset to Massapequa, staying over (!) and riding back the next day. Or maybe we can do something similar with one of the bikeways in Westchester or further upstate.
For this trip, I'm now thinking something goofier, like riding the Bethpage Bikeway from Syosset to Massapequa, staying over (!) and riding back the next day. Or maybe we can do something similar with one of the bikeways in Westchester or further upstate.
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Just as a "for what it's worth", and this is all based upon a non-tandem:
I've done the Erie Canal from Rochester area to Rome on 28's and wished for wider tires. The limestone rocks are big, and I never felt like I could relax and cruise.
I've done the C&O on 28's, and wished for larger, to deal with the mud, and ruts, and general comfort texture.
I've done the GAP on 28's, and wished for SMALLER. The trail rides like pavement, you can cruise at 20mplh without a care for your footing, and it is nothing like the other two. I would think 28's on a tandem would be fine on the GAP. The only rough patch was the paved sections around McKeesport.
EddNog & AusTexMurf,
Thanks for the advice. Having done the C&O on a single, I wouldn't try it on one of our (road) tandems. We don't have a MTB type tandem so 700x38c is toward the upper limit of possible tire size. The isolation is not an issue but I think it would be a jarring ride.
Maybe we will try the GAP, we'll see.
Thanks for the advice. Having done the C&O on a single, I wouldn't try it on one of our (road) tandems. We don't have a MTB type tandem so 700x38c is toward the upper limit of possible tire size. The isolation is not an issue but I think it would be a jarring ride.
Maybe we will try the GAP, we'll see.
I've done the Erie Canal from Rochester area to Rome on 28's and wished for wider tires. The limestone rocks are big, and I never felt like I could relax and cruise.
I've done the C&O on 28's, and wished for larger, to deal with the mud, and ruts, and general comfort texture.
I've done the GAP on 28's, and wished for SMALLER. The trail rides like pavement, you can cruise at 20mplh without a care for your footing, and it is nothing like the other two. I would think 28's on a tandem would be fine on the GAP. The only rough patch was the paved sections around McKeesport.
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Also some thoughts are the Delaware-Raritan trail down in the Trenton/Princton area as well as the 2 trails along the Deleware on both sides of the river between Trenton and Milford. This is a very pretty area to ride. The towns are all nice stopping spots. Shouldn't be hard to find a B&B and it's about 2 to 2-1/2 hrs from L.I.