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Old 04-11-17, 09:46 PM
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Second Avenue bike lane (Manhattan)

Anyone rode on this relatively new bike lane? My experience was terrible. Many left hooks, and today I was riding there during rush hour, it was extremely hectic and chaotic. The bike lane is on the left side of the 2nd Avenue, but as I continued on, before I knew it, the left lane had become left-turn-only lane for getting onto the Queensboro Bridge (not sure where bicycles are supposed to go ). I escaped alive after being left-hooked by several cars.
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Old 04-11-17, 10:29 PM
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I still avoid the bike lanes on Manhattan like the plague. IMO, the bike lanes are designed to get bikes hooked hooked every second corner (alternating one way cross streets). I greatly preferred it before the bike lanes, when I could safely keep left, then move one lane to the right very second block, to allow cars to cross behind me when making lefts.

BTW - there was another right hook crash with injury in NYC yesterday. (Sunnyside, Queens)

One of my objections to bike lanes is that they blur right of way expectations, with cyclists falsely led to believe they have a clear lane to pass slowing vehicles on the right, while forgetting that those slowing vehicles are probably slowing to make a turn.
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Old 04-12-17, 10:02 AM
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I generally don't mind the bike lanes. In all fairness, I haven't ridden down that new part of second ave, but I know that the section by the midtown tunnel is a mess, so I assume it is like riding through that.

I think that dedicated left turn lanes with signals, like the ones on 8th avenue in Chelsea could go a long way to make the protected bike lanes safer.
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Old 04-15-17, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by punkinevil View Post
I generally don't mind the bike lanes. In all fairness, I haven't ridden down that new part of second ave, but I know that the section by the midtown tunnel is a mess, so I assume it is like riding through that.

I think that dedicated left turn lanes with signals, like the ones on 8th avenue in Chelsea could go a long way to make the protected bike lanes safer.
+1

You have to ride slow to take advantage of the bike lanes. However, once you reach the intersections, you have to turn your head around when reaching the corners to see your not getting hooked. Overall, it's better than nothing.
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They put in a new bike lane, and then make it impossible to use. First, there was some blockage at 2nd St. due to building construction, forcing you to merge on a street that is now far too narrow into the crush of cars approaching the meat grinder intersection at Houston. Now that they've managed clear that blockage, they've completely blocked the entrance to the lane on Christie crossing Houston. It's absolutely unclear what a bike is supposed to do, since you're going against traffic at that point. And you do have to keep an eagle eye out for drivers, who try to bludgeon their through intersections, while pedestrians have the light.
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..... It's absolutely unclear what a bike is supposed to do, since you're going against traffic at that point. And you do have to keep an eagle eye out for drivers, who try to bludgeon their through intersections, while pedestrians have the light.
One of my objections to much of the city's infrastructure is that it seems to consider bicycles to be pedestrians on wheels, rather than a part of vehicular traffic.

I wouldn't care, and would be happy if the rule was use them if you like, don't if you don't. But NYC sometimes enforces a "must use" rule, so every time they put in a poorly designed bike lane, the selection of usable avenues is reduced.

Note that I am not diametrically opposed to bike lanes, I just don't want them to be a handicap, that seems more designed to get us out of the way rather than to make bicycling faster and more expedient.
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I rode the lane tonight again downtown. I forget to ride the again uptown, which I rarely do. Between Houston and the bridge, there are only I think two places are where traffic crosses, at Delancey and Grand, so that's not so bad. And going downtown, your facing traffic, so drivers are looking right at you, so as long as they're not being sociopathic (which is rather a leap of faith for New York drivers), and they haven't bunged up the intersection completely, it's okay. It still feels off, though.

The entrance to the lane at Houston is still blocked, and now they've put back a little lane on the other side of the street, completely defeating the purpose of the Christie Street lane in the first place place. And I don't know how anyone is supposed to know that the temporary lane is there.

We are not pedestrians, and we are not vehicular traffic, as in cars, neither fish nor foul, and the city hasn't figured out how to deal with that yet.

As far as the must use rule, it's not clear that it's a rule, and they enforce it like they enforce anything involving bicycles, completely arbitrarily and sporadically. They will completely ignore that and everything most of the time, except if they decide to go on a bike blitz, in which case, they'll get you for anything. So I'll ride the lanes, or not, as I see fit in any given circumstance. so I don't see bike lanes as a constraint, or that feeling like you have to use them as a reason for not building them.
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