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Old 01-28-10, 11:27 AM
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NYC bike parking law a SHAM?

I think this picture says it all. This is Hells Kitchen/Theater District border, midtown but not a super-high price part.
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I don't understand the sign. Is this a monthly parking fee?
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Yes.

Maybe the picture didnt' say it all.

If garages are allowed to charge absurd rates that virtually no one would ever pay, they have a free option out of the new "mandatory" bike parking requirments.

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That's still only about $7.50 a day versus about $40 per hour for a car near Midtown. The charge and sign were probably posted up well before the bike law went into effect.

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Do you mean the new bicycle access to office building law? There doesn't seem to be anything in there that prevents a private garage from charging whatever they want. The city lists a few garages that are offering free or low-cost indoor parking. Maybe some people feel it's worth it to have a guaranteed space. Maybe there's good security. Who knows--it's New York, so of course it costs more than it's worth.
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Yes, it appears to be a pricing sign from a commercial parking garage (in the business of providing vehicle space for a profit) as evidenced by the reference to motorcycles. This is not a sign from a straight up office building as contemplated by the bike law.

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This is a result of a new companion bill, the Bicycle Access to Garage Law requiring NYC garages to set aside a certain amount of space for bicycles.

$7.50/day, if that's what the above rate actually works out to, certainly does seem excessive but, far as I know, the City didn't set a limit on how much private garages can charge.

This was also discussed on Streetsblog How Much Would You Pay to Park Your Bike in an NYC Garage?
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The garage I park my car in want's $9.18+tax and $175+tax for a monthly. They seem to be pricing it to avoid have to do it.
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Right. It's a commercial garage. They're now required to accept bikes and post rates for them if they're over a certain car capacity.

To park a bike securely for a single day at $7.50 isn't unreasonable IMO. I would pay it. But that's not apples to apples when you're talking monthlies.

A monthly rate that's comparable to cars is unreasonable. This garage has plenty of dead space where they wouldn't lose any car capacity by taking bikes.

A superior garage down the block charges $60/month for bicycle parking.

Charging $221 plus tax is not based on the market, it's based on defeating the law requiring them to accept bikes.
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There's always the potential for value added bicycle parking. For example, if a garage were to provide lockers, a changing area, maybe even a shower, their parking might be worth more than other garages in the same area.

Oh and bicycles shouldn't be subject to that 18% parking tax since that's a motor vehicle tax.
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Right. It's a commercial garage. They're now required to accept bikes and post rates for them if they're over a certain car capacity.

To park a bike securely for a single day at $7.50 isn't unreasonable IMO. I would pay it. But that's not apples to apples when you're talking monthlies.

A monthly rate that's comparable to cars is unreasonable. This garage has plenty of dead space where they wouldn't lose any car capacity by taking bikes.

A superior garage down the block charges $60/month for bicycle parking.

Charging $221 plus tax is not based on the market, it's based on defeating the law requiring them to accept bikes.
$7.50 a day is a lot if you look at it strictly from a cost perspective since most commuters would only be spending $5 a day to use mass transit.
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Monthly parking rates for a car in the prime Midtown area are currently in the range between $400 to $500 (or more) depending on the garage. Considering that the space taken by one car could fit over a dozen bikes, it would appear a bit excessive, perhaps mitigated by the fact that they might have to install added security (people or racks) since bikes are much more exposed to theft than a car.


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