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Old 04-19-16, 05:51 PM
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Runner v Cyclists: MUP Smackdown

Wife and I were cutting through Walnut Creek on the Canal Trail (a MultiUsePath). Crossing intersection, probably moving at 3 mph, overly tall, older runner comes straight for me ...he's on the wrong side of the trail/intersection lane of course... I'm trying to guess which way he might jump...and he chooses to jump directly into my bike! A deer in the headlights I guess; panic and a curious inability to judge closing speed.

Major track bump, he spins off me like a top, then crashes into my wife's handlebars 5 feet back taking them both down. I yelled a tad more than I should have, felt like a grumpy old man afterwards....but I thought the guy must have been high. This sort of behavior gives runners a bad rep...and I think the '80s headband he was wearing gave me an uncomfortable disco flashback.

MUPs are exciting, you see it all.
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Old 04-19-16, 09:33 PM
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Yeah had too many near misses on Iron horse trail with people crossing without looking, doing sudden U-turns without looking, sudden stops in the middle of the trail... I avoid it unless it's empty due rain, cold weather, early morning, weekday or zombie apocalypse.
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According to Stefon Zelesky, these MUPS have everything...

Psychos, screaming babies in Mozart wigs, sunburned drifters, stilts, a guy on a prepaid cell phone, both guys from Wham! wearing a two-man horse costume, a guy who still thinks Jamba Juice is good for you, and that one guy who still roller blades.

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i hate those ppl who have both ear plugs on.... I shout out "bike on the left".. followed by a "u sh$t head" if i realize they are anyways stone deaf!

I really like the rules enforced on Diablo : ear plugs on ONLY one ear. The other day i saw a ranger warn a hiker.
In fact i refuse to ride/run with any group which allows ear/head phones
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Who ever told runners to run facing traffic should have defined "Where" it was appropriate. It's OK to run to the right...
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Hate MUPs. Avoid at all costs.
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Originally Posted by curbtender View Post
Who ever told runners to run facing traffic should have defined "Where" it was appropriate. It's OK to run to the right...
I've actually seen MUPs with markings for runner's lanes and cyclists lanes. Yes, they were opposite of what you'd expect. Runners ran on the left and cyclists biked on the right. I didn't mind it, but I often run faster than many casual bikers... bike...
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Old 04-20-16, 10:53 AM
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If I see a runner coming toward me, either on the road or on M.U.P., I stop, because I feel I should defer to the pedestrian, whether she is in-the-right, or not. I do not know what a "track bump" is.
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Old 04-20-16, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
I've actually seen MUPs with markings for runner's lanes and cyclists lanes. Yes, they were opposite of what you'd expect. Runners ran on the left and cyclists biked on the right. I didn't mind it, but I often run faster than many casual bikers... bike...
That's the way ours is. About ten feet across for bikes.., four feet for pedestrians. It doesn't always work as prescribed, though, so it depends on everybody's application of courtesy and logic. You really have to be ready to stop at a moment's notice, what with dogs on leashes, little kids on training-wheel bikes, and the bane of M.U.P's: rollerbladers
Before I blew my knee out, I ran in the bike lane, as far-to-the-right as I could go, because I knew that in the pedestrian lane, there'd be a couple holding hands, side-by-side, sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by curbtender View Post
Who ever told runners to run facing traffic should have defined "Where" it was appropriate. It's OK to run to the right...
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The MUPs I ride, in a large city I sometimes visit, have signs posted at just about every trailhead explaining the expectations... everyone travels on the right, the right-of-way is defined as walkers>runners> cyclists. Occasionally some dumbass will be walking or running on the wrong side and I don't feel too bad about playing chicken with them and/or shouting in their ear as I pass. Getting stuck behind a 5 km/h walker going in the same direction is not nearly as disruptive as someone salmoning through bike traffic at 5 km/h.
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Originally Posted by shrimp123 View Post
i hate those ppl who have both ear plugs on.... I shout out "bike on the left".. followed by a "u sh$t head" if i realize they are anyways stone deaf!

I really like the rules enforced on Diablo : ear plugs on ONLY one ear. The other day i saw a ranger warn a hiker.
In fact i refuse to ride/run with any group which allows ear/head phones

Good call. I couldn't imagine stuffing anything into my ears while out on a bike or running (even walking).
I always wonder about people that do that. Cycling's not insteresting/engaging enough without it? Running? Nothing going through their heads, so they have to supplant it with something? Feel uncomfortable about silence?
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
The MUPs I ride, in a large city I sometimes visit, have signs posted at just about every trailhead explaining the expectations... everyone travels on the right, the right-of-way is defined as walkers>runners> cyclists. Occasionally some dumbass will be walking or running on the wrong side and I don't feel too bad about playing chicken with them and/or shouting in their ear as I pass. Getting stuck behind a 5 km/h walker going in the same direction is not nearly as disruptive as someone salmoning through bike traffic at 5 km/h.
What's your assessment of that, Wil? Are they just stupid, or is it some kind of power trip? I am convinced that they are just stupid, but I can't see HOW they can be that stupid.
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What's your assessment of that, Wil? Are they just stupid, or is it some kind of power trip? I am convinced that they are just stupid, but I can't see HOW they can be that stupid.
If you consider that half of all people are below average, there are bound to be a small number of people who are way down the wrong side of the bell curve. My experience has been that out of ~ten thousand people on the MUPs on a nice sunny Sunday, perhaps two or three of them will be causing traffic snarls and near-misses, presumably wondering why everyone else seems to be enjoying themselves while they are constantly having to jump out of the way and are getting yelled at.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
If you consider that half of all people are below average, there are bound to be a small number of people who are way down the wrong side of the bell curve. My experience has been that out of ~ten thousand people on the MUPs on a nice sunny Sunday, perhaps two or three of them will be causing traffic snarls and near-misses, presumably wondering why everyone else seems to be enjoying themselves while they are constantly having to jump out of the way and are getting yelled at.
Thanks, Wil. That helps a little bit. I often am the one to move out of the way, or to stop to allow others to pass. Do some consider it a sign of weakness to show politeness? Maybe it is as you say, that some just do not have the intellectual acumen. I hope this is the case. At least then, I can accept treating them like little children who need my patience and understanding, rather than rampant teenagers playing "chicken" with the rest of the world.
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Dog people who either let their dogs (illegally) off-leash or on a 50' leash which sets up a cyclist-clothesline across the road are what annoy me the most. I'm not a dog person, so I'm probably a little bit biased, but in general, dog people seem to have a sense of entitlement on the trail, and everyone else must acquiesce to King Doggie.

Anyway, yes, I had a choice the other day to either ride north up Danville Blvd at 5:30PM after work on a weekday, or take the IHT...guess which I chose.
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Anyway, yes, I had a choice the other day to either ride north up Danville Blvd at 5:30PM after work on a weekday, or take the IHT...guess which I chose.
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...and that one guy who still roller blades.
There's a pair of guys here in Folsom, one rides a bike and the other drafts about six inches back on his rollerblades. Strange to watch.
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What's your assessment of that, Wil? Are they just stupid, or is it some kind of power trip? I am convinced that they are just stupid, but I can't see HOW they can be that stupid.
i guess it's worth noting that the conventional wisdom, and I guess the law in many places, walkers and runners go against traffic. cyclists go with traffic, on the right, (because they are vehicles). These road rules don't work on MUPs or bike paths, which is why the signs are necessary telling everyone to stay right, or designating certain lanes. Add to that people from different cultures, different norms, and it is chaos.

Chaos I tell you ! All I ask is for people to stay their course, no jumping left, darting dogs, popping u-turns without looking (or jumping into my bike).
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i guess it's worth noting that the conventional wisdom, and I guess the law in many places, walkers and runners go against traffic. cyclists go with traffic, on the right, (because they are vehicles). These road rules don't work on MUPs or bike paths, which is why the signs are necessary telling everyone to stay right, or designating certain lanes. Add to that people from different cultures, different norms, and it is chaos.

Chaos I tell you ! All I ask is for people to stay their course, no jumping left, darting dogs, popping u-turns without looking (or jumping into my bike).
You make some good points, Fren. There are so many young children at my MUP that I just ride really slow and the mothers are always thankful that I do so. I am always prepared to stop. That is unless it is cold or rainy and I have a clear run and then I open the bike up a little bit!
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What can you expect from people who run when there is no ball in sight andno frisbee to catch, Madness, I say.
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What can you expect from people who run when there is no ball in sight andno frisbee to catch, Madness, I say.
I can teach a dog to do that...
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Who ever told runners to run facing traffic should have defined "Where" it was appropriate. It's OK to run to the right...
. . . if you are OK with getting run over by inattentive cyclists.
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Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
Hate MUPs. Avoid at all costs.
Huge variation in MUPs. The MUP I use for my daily training ride has very little traffic. On bad weather days, I'm lucky to see one or two people on it. In the winter, it's generally all mine. On good days, I'll see 20 or so on a 20-30 mile round trip. Traffic picks up around Ragbrai time as people start thinking they might actually want to get in shape for the ride!
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