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Old 02-24-17, 01:00 PM
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Out of towner, 2 days to ride

I'll be in Berkeley for a wedding in mid-October and I have set aside a day, or two to do some riding. I live in Minnesota so this is an opportunity to do some real climbing. Or at least log some nice hilly miles I wouldn't otherwise be able to do in my hometown.

I'm interested in spending one day doing a nice local ride around Berkeley, and another doing a longer ride. Here's what I'm thinking…

Ride 1: Hilly (500m+), 1-2 hour loop ride local to Berkeley
Ride 2: Hilly/Mtn (850m+) loop ride OR out and back on a well known climb (Diablo, Mt Tam, other?). I don't mind if I have to take a UBER to this ride, but if I could out and back it from where I'm staying in Berkeley that would be a big bonus.

Other: I NEED A RENTAL, so any recs for a bike shop near UC Berkeley or relative to any recommended rides is much appreciated.

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October is the best month to be riding in the SF bay area.

From Berkeley, Grizzly Peak, Skyline, Pinehurst, St. Mary's (thorough Moraga), Reliez Station (wicked little descent, so be careful on this one), Olympic--will get you out to Walnut Creek and enable an assault on Mt. Diablo from the North Entrance (you could also just drive to Walnut Creek, North Gate Rd environs; Ygnacio Valley Rd is not so nice to be riding on). But, there are any one of a number of variations on this theme that will give you a fantastic ride. Another option: Grizzly Peak, Wlidcat Canyon, San Pablo Dam, Castro Ranch, Bear Creeek, then return via Wildcat.

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Grizzly Peak/Skyline is great for views of the Bay.
Tam and Ham are for people who can't do Diablo.
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These folks used to be near me in Los Altos as UDC Tours, but I had heard they moved across the Bay not too far from Berkeley.

https://blacksheepbikerental.com/

From Berkeley, I'd definitely do Mt. Diablo.
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Just do Diablo, it's pretty easy from Berkeley, there are a lot of options to get over to the start of the climb, a lot of good roads in their own right. Tam is not really doable from Berkeley, and Hamilton will be a long haul just to get there. Plus Hamilton is kinda boring, though I do like it.

As far as your short ride goes, there are so many options, it's hard to give a suggestion. Someone could advise a right turn, when a left turn will also take you on a nice road or climb. If you're on Strava, some good climbing segments are:

-Wildcat
-Grizzly Peak (many variations/directions)
-Old Tunnel Rd
-Pinehurst North
-Pinehurst South
-Claremont
-Redwood Rd
-Bear Creek Rd
-South Park Dr.
-El Toyonal (if you are boss, and want to do sustained 15+%)
-Fish Ranch (more of an out and back)
-Snake Rd
-Skyline

You can look up these roads/segments and basically create your own ride. There are too many loops to make out of these to really suggest a particular ride, but really any of these can be put into a ride, depending on how far you want to go. I've seen rides people have done where they basically ride in circles just to do most of these roads, even if it doesn't make much sense.
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Originally Posted by Scarbo View Post
October is the best month to be riding in the SF bay area.

From Berkeley, Grizzly Peak, Skyline, Pinehurst, St. Mary's (thorough Moraga), Reliez Station (wicked little descent, so be careful on this one), Olympic--will get you out to Walnut Creek and enable an assault on Mt. Diablo from the North Entrance (you could also just drive to Walnut Creek, North Gate Rd environs; Ygnacio Valley Rd is not so nice to be riding on). But, there are any one of a number of variations on this theme that will give you a fantastic ride. Another option: Grizzly Peak, Wlidcat Canyon, San Pablo Dam, Castro Ranch, Bear Creeek, then return via Wildcat.

Enjoy!
Currently, Alhambra Valley Rd (part of the last option mentioned above) is completely washed out at Castro Ranch, and is impassable. I think the County is eager to get it fixed this year, so it may be ok by then, but just a note in case you are planning to do this route (it is a good one).

Also, another ride mentioned was Mt. Hamilton, a portion of the road is also currently washed out (we've had an apocalyptic amount of rain this year so far), so that may or may not be fixed (though there is a bypass for the damaged portion of road).
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For your shorter local ride, some variation of a Berkeley Hills loop should get your juices flowing. Roads to look for on a map:


Getting up/down the west side of the hills: Spruce Street, Euclid Street, Old Tunnel Road, Claremont Avenue (steeper);


On the ridge top: Grizzly Peak Blvd; Skyline Blvd.;


Getting up/down the east side of the hills: Wildcat Canyon Road; Pinehurst Road; Fish Ranch Road (involves climbing or descending on a stretch of freeway - safe and doable, but not advised because riding on freeway shoulders is not fun).


Until further notice, Bear Creek Road is probably not on your list because a road to/from the back end of hit (Alhambra Valley Rd.) has a washed out bridge that may or may not be repaired by October.


For the longer assault. Mt. Diablo is a great choice. Take BART from one of the three Berkeley stations or from Rockridge station (an easy ride from anywhere in Berk) and ride to the Walnut Creek Station. A few flat miles will take to/from either Northgate or Southgate Rd. If you decide to go up Northgate, do not under any circumstances ride on Ygnacio Valley Road to get there even though it will look like that is the way on the map. There is a bike path along the Contra Costa Canal that more or less parallels Ygnacio Valley - use that instead. Really. Trust me on this. As me or Diablo Scott (or pretty much anyone else around here) how to do that.

As a general proposition, BART can get you to a bunch of places to start a ride bikes are welcome on all trains, just not on the first car), and Berkeley is very well served by stations. Where are you going to be staying?
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post



A few flat miles will take to/from either Northgate or Southgate Rd. If you decide to go up Northgate, do not under any circumstances ride on Ygnacio Valley Road to get there even though it will look like that is the way on the map. There is a bike path along the Contra Costa Canal that more or less parallels Ygnacio Valley - use that instead. Really. Trust me on this. As me or Diablo Scott (or pretty much anyone else around here) how to do that.
Excellent point. I really should have been more emphatic about this in my own comments, above, regarding Ygnacio Valley Road. It amounts to a suicide run although there are some (like yours truly!) who have done it and survived.

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Definitely an E. Bay bias here (I get it, you have great riding too!). Not as close but doing Hawk Hill and the Marin Headlands is possibly one of the best bay area rides IMHO. Most loops are around 2-3K'.

For the serious climb, I'd recommend starting further north and do Alpine Dam then Mt. Tam from the north. 4-5K' depending on how you do it.

Then of course as many recommend, there is Diablo and Hamilton.

I would do some searches on Strava to get a sense of usual loops and elevation. If you need any help planning on the Marin side, PM me. Happy to help.

PS: On bike rentals, depends on what you want. A lot of the shops around will demo/rent you your bike of choice for 75-100 day. What are you looking for MFG wise?
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Originally Posted by ChrisF1 View Post
Definitely an E. Bay bias here (I get it, you have great riding too!). Not as close but doing Hawk Hill and the Marin Headlands is possibly one of the best bay area rides IMHO. Most loops are around 2-3K'.

For the serious climb, I'd recommend starting further north and do Alpine Dam then Mt. Tam from the north. 4-5K' depending on how you do it.

Then of course as many recommend, there is Diablo and Hamilton.

I would do some searches on Strava to get a sense of usual loops and elevation. If you need any help planning on the Marin side, PM me. Happy to help.

PS: On bike rentals, depends on what you want. A lot of the shops around will demo/rent you your bike of choice for 75-100 day. What are you looking for MFG wise?
Well considering OP's going to be based in Berkeley, East Bay hills makes sense for staying local, no?

In the main Road Cycling forum, someone posted they were going to Sausalito, and wanted suggestions. So naturally I suggested the Headlands (agree with you about Hawk Hill, esp if you descend down the backside from the top, you feel like you are going to fly right into the ocean), Tam, Hwy 1, etc.

If this is OP's only visit out here, then expanding your search could be helpful, but if I was visiting a place for a the first time, I'd mos def prefer to stay more local. And I'd still recommend Diablo over almost anything else, haha!
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
For your shorter local ride, some variation of a Berkeley Hills loop should get your juices flowing. Roads to look for on a map:


Getting up/down the west side of the hills: Spruce Street, Euclid Street, Old Tunnel Road, Claremont Avenue (steeper);


On the ridge top: Grizzly Peak Blvd; Skyline Blvd.;


Getting up/down the east side of the hills: Wildcat Canyon Road; Pinehurst Road; Fish Ranch Road (involves climbing or descending on a stretch of freeway - safe and doable, but not advised because riding on freeway shoulders is not fun).


Until further notice, Bear Creek Road is probably not on your list because a road to/from the back end of hit (Alhambra Valley Rd.) has a washed out bridge that may or may not be repaired by October.


For the longer assault. Mt. Diablo is a great choice. Take BART from one of the three Berkeley stations or from Rockridge station (an easy ride from anywhere in Berk) and ride to the Walnut Creek Station. A few flat miles will take to/from either Northgate or Southgate Rd. If you decide to go up Northgate, do not under any circumstances ride on Ygnacio Valley Road to get there even though it will look like that is the way on the map. There is a bike path along the Contra Costa Canal that more or less parallels Ygnacio Valley - use that instead. Really. Trust me on this. As me or Diablo Scott (or pretty much anyone else around here) how to do that.

As a general proposition, BART can get you to a bunch of places to start a ride bikes are welcome on all trains, just not on the first car), and Berkeley is very well served by stations. Where are you going to be staying?
Or you could just ride over! I guess it depends on OP's fitness and desire for extended miles/climbing.
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Thanks a lot for all the recommendations. Seems like there will be no trouble finding some good routes.

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These folks used to be near me in Los Altos as UDC Tours, but I had heard they moved across the Bay not too far from Berkeley.

https://blacksheepbikerental.com/

From Berkeley, I'd definitely do Mt. Diablo.
Originally Posted by ChrisF1 View Post
Definitely an E. Bay bias here (I get it, you have great riding too!). Not as close but doing Hawk Hill and the Marin Headlands is possibly one of the best bay area rides IMHO. Most loops are around 2-3K'.

For the serious climb, I'd recommend starting further north and do Alpine Dam then Mt. Tam from the north. 4-5K' depending on how you do it.

Then of course as many recommend, there is Diablo and Hamilton.

I would do some searches on Strava to get a sense of usual loops and elevation. If you need any help planning on the Marin side, PM me. Happy to help.

PS: On bike rentals, depends on what you want. A lot of the shops around will demo/rent you your bike of choice for 75-100 day. What are you looking for MFG wise?
As for rentals, I would like to be on something like a Tarmac, Caad12, TCR, or equivalent. Also open to something more endurance focused. Really just a capable bike. (I ride a steel road bike right now, so something more potent would be fun while I'm out there).
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Originally Posted by absoludicrous View Post


As for rentals, I would like to be on something like a Tarmac, Caad12, TCR, or equivalent. Also open to something more endurance focused. Really just a capable bike. (I ride a steel road bike right now, so something more potent would be fun while I'm out there).

In Walnut Creek just a couple easy miles from Diablo: Bike Rentals - Encina and Clayton Bicycle Centers - Walnut Creek, CA & Clayton, CA

Roubaix and Madone for $70/day.
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Well considering OP's going to be based in Berkeley, East Bay hills makes sense for staying local, no?

In the main Road Cycling forum, someone posted they were going to Sausalito, and wanted suggestions. So naturally I suggested the Headlands (agree with you about Hawk Hill, esp if you descend down the backside from the top, you feel like you are going to fly right into the ocean), Tam, Hwy 1, etc.

If this is OP's only visit out here, then expanding your search could be helpful, but if I was visiting a place for a the first time, I'd mos def prefer to stay more local. And I'd still recommend Diablo over almost anything else, haha!
The great thing about visiting here is that there are so many good choices. All comes down to how far you want to travel and for what type of riding. I know for me, a short distance for a better ride is never a barrier. Totally also agree with Diablo as a top option.

OP, when you decide where you want to ride, if you want to ride Marin - PM me. Assuming I'm not too slow for you, always fun to meet up with out of towners to show them our area.

PS: re bikes, City Cycle in SF and Marin has Trek Emonda and Domane. I am pretty sure Berkeley Cycle works has TCR's and Defy's on demo. Not 100% on them. Both nice shops.

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Originally Posted by ChrisF1 View Post
The great thing about visiting here is that there are so many good choices. All comes down to how far you want to travel and for what type of riding. I know for me, a short distance for a better ride is never a barrier. Totally also agree with Diablo as a top option.

OP, when you decide where you want to ride, if you want to ride Marin - PM me. Assuming I'm not too slow for you, always fun to meet up with out of towners to show them our area.

PS: re bikes, City Cycle in SF and Marin has Trek Emonda and Domane. I am pretty sure Berkeley Cycle works has TCR's and Defy's on demo. Not 100% on them. Both nice shops.
Thanks guys. I will take you up on the PM—highly unlikely I'm faster than you, and company is always really nice. I'm really open to bikes, not picky at all as long as it's a newer and modernly appointed road bike.
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Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
For your shorter local ride, some variation of a Berkeley Hills loop should get your juices flowing. Roads to look for on a map:


Getting up/down the west side of the hills: Spruce Street, Euclid Street, Old Tunnel Road, Claremont Avenue (steeper);


On the ridge top: Grizzly Peak Blvd; Skyline Blvd.;


Getting up/down the east side of the hills: Wildcat Canyon Road; Pinehurst Road; Fish Ranch Road (involves climbing or descending on a stretch of freeway - safe and doable, but not advised because riding on freeway shoulders is not fun).


Until further notice, Bear Creek Road is probably not on your list because a road to/from the back end of hit (Alhambra Valley Rd.) has a washed out bridge that may or may not be repaired by October.


For the longer assault. Mt. Diablo is a great choice. Take BART from one of the three Berkeley stations or from Rockridge station (an easy ride from anywhere in Berk) and ride to the Walnut Creek Station. A few flat miles will take to/from either Northgate or Southgate Rd. If you decide to go up Northgate, do not under any circumstances ride on Ygnacio Valley Road to get there even though it will look like that is the way on the map. There is a bike path along the Contra Costa Canal that more or less parallels Ygnacio Valley - use that instead. Really. Trust me on this. As me or Diablo Scott (or pretty much anyone else around here) how to do that.

As a general proposition, BART can get you to a bunch of places to start a ride bikes are welcome on all trains, just not on the first car), and Berkeley is very well served by stations. Where are you going to be staying?
Thanks for the heads up on Ygnacio Valley Road (care to elaborate via PM what the deal is with this route?) I haven't settled on a place yet. Friends wedding is in Tilden Park, so somewhere relatively close is the plan. Airbnb for sure. Will be in town October 12-15...Looking to ride on the 12th and 13th.
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Originally Posted by absoludicrous View Post
Thanks for the heads up on Ygnacio Valley Road (care to elaborate via PM what the deal is with this route?) I haven't settled on a place yet. Friends wedding is in Tilden Park, so somewhere relatively close is the plan. Airbnb for sure. Will be in town October 12-15...Looking to ride on the 12th and 13th.
Ygnacio Valley Road is three narrow lanes and no shoulder and the cars go fast. The worst bits do have a wide sidewalk that's marked as a bike route for those who don't have any other option. If you're taking BART though, Pleasant Hill station offers a very nice route to Diablo on MUP and wide roads with good bike lanes.

Here it is in reverse:
North Gate to Pleasant Hill BART in Walnut Creek, CA, United States | MapMyRide
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Correct, Ygnacio Valley Road is a suicide ride. BART Walnut Creek station leaves you stranded in an awkward location, so:

Pleasant Hill Bart to Ironhorse Trail, to Canal Trail to Bancroft-> Walnut, to Castlerock/N. Gate Road-> Mt. Diablo summit.

Fast & easy peasy.
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Correct, Ygnacio Valley Road is a suicide ride. BART Walnut Creek station leaves you stranded in an awkward location, so:

Pleasant Hill Bart to Ironhorse Trail, to Canal Trail to Bancroft-> Walnut, to Castlerock/N. Gate Road-> Mt. Diablo summit.

Fast & easy peasy.
That's that ticket, best route for sure.
Here is a link to a map, route slip etc. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/19291643
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