Toughest Climbs in Norcal. Your favorite WALLS.
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Toughest Climbs in Norcal. Your favorite WALLS.
I guess it depends on the person what "tough" is. Some people find miles and miles long 5% grinds tough while others have a hard time with 10%+ grades tougher although shorter. (I'm in the second group)
I have climbed a lot of stuff in Norcal but 2 of the toughest ones for me have always been
Hicks (north side) -> Umunhum (4 miles. 10% Avg Grade. 2188 feet Elv gain) (Umunhum sadly closed after all the rains. Might open after summer)
https://www.strava.com/segments/8479250
Bohlman -> On Orbit -> Bohlman (4.2 miles. 9% Grade. 1953 feet Elv gain)
https://www.strava.com/segments/268861
Bohlman although easier on paper, it feels harder cause it has flat and almost negative grade up top in a small section which makes the rest of it brutal.
These 2 really make you feel it even with a compact & 11-32. After these, climbs like Hamilton, Diablo, Hwy 9, Montebello etc seem fairly easier because you can choose to just go slower. Slowest I can go in parts of the other 2 require sustaining 250 watts which is a lot for a weakling like me.
What are some of your favorite walls?
I have climbed a lot of stuff in Norcal but 2 of the toughest ones for me have always been
Hicks (north side) -> Umunhum (4 miles. 10% Avg Grade. 2188 feet Elv gain) (Umunhum sadly closed after all the rains. Might open after summer)
https://www.strava.com/segments/8479250
Bohlman -> On Orbit -> Bohlman (4.2 miles. 9% Grade. 1953 feet Elv gain)
https://www.strava.com/segments/268861
Bohlman although easier on paper, it feels harder cause it has flat and almost negative grade up top in a small section which makes the rest of it brutal.
These 2 really make you feel it even with a compact & 11-32. After these, climbs like Hamilton, Diablo, Hwy 9, Montebello etc seem fairly easier because you can choose to just go slower. Slowest I can go in parts of the other 2 require sustaining 250 watts which is a lot for a weakling like me.
What are some of your favorite walls?
#2
Senior Member
The good news about Umunhum is that this summer the road will open all the way to the summit, several miles above the old "No Tresspassing" signs, and that the whole road will be repaved.
A few of my other favorites are Moody / Page Mill in the South Bay, Sweetwater Springs near Guerneville, and China Grade in the Santa Cruz Mtns.
A few of my other favorites are Moody / Page Mill in the South Bay, Sweetwater Springs near Guerneville, and China Grade in the Santa Cruz Mtns.
#3
Family, Health, Cycling
Welch Creek and Mix Canyon belong on a list of walls that hurt so good.
#4
Senior Member
Thread Starter
China grade is nice! I might have done Welch before the name's familiar!
Btw that's amazing news about Umunhum!!! It's gonna be even more epic!
teehee
Btw that's amazing news about Umunhum!!! It's gonna be even more epic!
teehee
#5
Occam's Rotor
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,248
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 2,331 Times
in
1,164 Posts
Alba Road near my house is something I find hard.
#6
Newbie
Nothing as long as Bohlman or Hicks, but I do variations of the Ring of Fire route in Los Altos Hills/Woodside, which hits Moody/Golden Oak/Los Trancos. This spreads out the steep stuff to make it a bit more manageable, and you can go back up on Joaquin for good measure.
A little different is Club/Crestview (and some of the connected roads) in Belmont, near Carlmont High School. Much more suburban than the other rides, they are smooth wide roads, so sharing the road with cars is easier. But they have long steep pitches that you can see how far up you have to grind, with great views of the bay towards the top.
A little different is Club/Crestview (and some of the connected roads) in Belmont, near Carlmont High School. Much more suburban than the other rides, they are smooth wide roads, so sharing the road with cars is easier. But they have long steep pitches that you can see how far up you have to grind, with great views of the bay towards the top.
Last edited by jfh; 03-12-17 at 09:46 PM.
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: East Bay CA
Posts: 192
Bikes: 2016 Cannondale Synapse Carbon Disc Di2, Cannondale F1000 SL
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
2 Posts
If we're talking about walls, the summit wall on Diablo gets my vote. My Garmin consistently registers 15-17% grade over that stretch. For me it's the context - a 15% grade is always tough, but is especially tough after climbing for the last 90-100 minutes.
+1 for Mix Canyon as well.
+1 for Mix Canyon as well.
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CA SF Bay Area
Posts: 476
Bikes: 2014 CDale EVO, 2007 System Six, 2004 Litespeed Solano, 2002 Burley Duet
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 92 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Pacific Grade between Mosquito Lake and Hemit Valley on Hwy. 2.5 miles, 1100', grade averages 8% and tops out at 22%. Did I mention the 7000-8000' elevation?
It starts in Nevada, but the east side of Mt Rose. 15 miles and 4100' of climbing. Most of it is only 5-7%, but there is no let up until you hit the last couple of miles in double digit grades.
It starts in Nevada, but the east side of Mt Rose. 15 miles and 4100' of climbing. Most of it is only 5-7%, but there is no let up until you hit the last couple of miles in double digit grades.
#10
Senior Member
Thread Starter
If we're talking about walls, the summit wall on Diablo gets my vote. My Garmin consistently registers 15-17% grade over that stretch. For me it's the context - a 15% grade is always tough, but is especially tough after climbing for the last 90-100 minutes.
+1 for Mix Canyon as well.
+1 for Mix Canyon as well.
Kidding aside, yeah that's pretty steep. But so short I don't mind it as much as 3 mile 10% climbs
#11
It's MY mountain
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 10,002
Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4338 Post(s)
Liked 2,980 Times
in
1,617 Posts
For reference with De Ronde van Vlaanderen:
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: New England
Posts: 85
Bikes: Giant Defy Advanced 2, S-Works Camber, Eddy Merckx Ti-Ax
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times
in
2 Posts
For long grinds, the Everett Memorial Highway on Mt. Shasta is quite challenging.
#13
Crawlin' up, flyin' down
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Democratic Peoples' Republic of Berkeley
Posts: 5,653
Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1025 Post(s)
Liked 2,525 Times
in
1,055 Posts
I'm a serious Clydesdale with the climbing prowess of an anchor. Asking about my favorite "walls" is like asking a Hatfield about his or her favorite McCoy. With that disclaimer, here goes.
Toughest ones I've actually been able to pedal my ample self up (not always without stopping to barf up a lung) at some point in my life:
Top o' Diablo. No explanation needed, although DiabloScott's chart justifies all horror stories about it. That wall would be hellish even without the previous 10 miles. But ain't that descent a joy?
Hicks - and that was just to the bottom of Umunumunumunumunum.
Oakville Grade - the first mile of up a little west of Hwy 29. Kind of a stair step, except the flat parts of the steps are 14% - it gets worse from there. Not particularly scenic, not that I was in any position to care. Oh, and it's exposed to the sun, too. Just hateful.
But to me, the hardest remains (drum roll) the top of the east side of Patterson Pass. Not as long as Oakville grade (at least not the part I'm talking about - there is a not-inconsequential uphill run to get there, though, unlike Oakville Grade), but similar stair-steppy unpleasantness with stupid steep ramps. But what makes it so awful is your soul-crushing realization that that 13% wall you just surmounted is the Mother Of All False Summits; only when you have crested it, certain that a lovely descent is about to begin, do you get a view of the top-most (and hardest) climb to the real summit. That initial view leaves absolute no doubt about what awaits. You get a minute or two for the dread to build up while you ride to the base, and the wall is in full directly-in-front-of-you-can't-avoid-looking-at-it view the entire time. Mentally, it's just brutal. If you don't know to expect the false summit - and sometimes even if you do - it will suck the joy of living right out of you, and make you want to commit a violent felony on whoever's stupid idea it was to go this way, even if that person was you. Maybe especially if that person was you. What you don't see is the wind that often whistles through the pass and smacks you square in the face at some point during the final assault. The actual descent into Livermore partly makes up for this foolishness - but only partly.
Toughest ones I've actually been able to pedal my ample self up (not always without stopping to barf up a lung) at some point in my life:
Top o' Diablo. No explanation needed, although DiabloScott's chart justifies all horror stories about it. That wall would be hellish even without the previous 10 miles. But ain't that descent a joy?
Hicks - and that was just to the bottom of Umunumunumunumunum.
Oakville Grade - the first mile of up a little west of Hwy 29. Kind of a stair step, except the flat parts of the steps are 14% - it gets worse from there. Not particularly scenic, not that I was in any position to care. Oh, and it's exposed to the sun, too. Just hateful.
But to me, the hardest remains (drum roll) the top of the east side of Patterson Pass. Not as long as Oakville grade (at least not the part I'm talking about - there is a not-inconsequential uphill run to get there, though, unlike Oakville Grade), but similar stair-steppy unpleasantness with stupid steep ramps. But what makes it so awful is your soul-crushing realization that that 13% wall you just surmounted is the Mother Of All False Summits; only when you have crested it, certain that a lovely descent is about to begin, do you get a view of the top-most (and hardest) climb to the real summit. That initial view leaves absolute no doubt about what awaits. You get a minute or two for the dread to build up while you ride to the base, and the wall is in full directly-in-front-of-you-can't-avoid-looking-at-it view the entire time. Mentally, it's just brutal. If you don't know to expect the false summit - and sometimes even if you do - it will suck the joy of living right out of you, and make you want to commit a violent felony on whoever's stupid idea it was to go this way, even if that person was you. Maybe especially if that person was you. What you don't see is the wind that often whistles through the pass and smacks you square in the face at some point during the final assault. The actual descent into Livermore partly makes up for this foolishness - but only partly.
__________________
"I'm in shape -- round is a shape." Andy Rooney
"I'm in shape -- round is a shape." Andy Rooney
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: CA SF Bay Area
Posts: 476
Bikes: 2014 CDale EVO, 2007 System Six, 2004 Litespeed Solano, 2002 Burley Duet
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 92 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Some sick individual on the Death Ride staff decided it would be fun to add it as a 6th pass in 2000. I don't know what was harder, climbing it, or descending back to Hermit Valley against all the riders trying to climb it.
#15
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Posts: 7,048
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times
in
8 Posts
How about Old Priest Grade? Two miles averaging 13.4% with a nice last step of 17.7%. Since it's on the way to Yosemite, I have always climbed it with a touring load, so perhaps it always seems longer and steeper than it would on a naked bike.
On one trip many years ago, I rode up ahead of my wife, thinking I would enjoy a nice cold soda at the cafe at the top while I waited. I was disappointed to find the cafe had burned to the ground, but when not a single car came along in the quarter-hour I was waiting for my wife, I began to wonder what was going on. When she arrived she told me that a pick-up was having trouble going as slowly as she rode, and there are very few places to pass. Then the pick-up lost a boat that had been poorly strapped on. The folks in the vehicles behind helped load it back on. After this fiasco, the pick-up driver had a lot of difficulty getting his vehicle going again and appeared to burn out his clutch. He never did arrive at the top and we always assumed that everybody backed down the hill so he could park at the bottom and get a tow.
On one trip many years ago, I rode up ahead of my wife, thinking I would enjoy a nice cold soda at the cafe at the top while I waited. I was disappointed to find the cafe had burned to the ground, but when not a single car came along in the quarter-hour I was waiting for my wife, I began to wonder what was going on. When she arrived she told me that a pick-up was having trouble going as slowly as she rode, and there are very few places to pass. Then the pick-up lost a boat that had been poorly strapped on. The folks in the vehicles behind helped load it back on. After this fiasco, the pick-up driver had a lot of difficulty getting his vehicle going again and appeared to burn out his clutch. He never did arrive at the top and we always assumed that everybody backed down the hill so he could park at the bottom and get a tow.
#17
Senior Member
Thread Starter
I think I might have found it guys! lol
https://www.strava.com/segments/518565
The only thing is it has flat parts that you can rest on for 2-3 seconds.
I ended up descending Marin avenue at the end of my ride on Sunday. I've already climbed Diablo + another 4000 feet that day but I was in awe of how steep the thing was going down so I turned around and climbed part of it. My legs just didn't have enough in them after 70 miles and 8000 feet to finish it but I'll be revisiting for sure!
https://www.strava.com/segments/518565
The only thing is it has flat parts that you can rest on for 2-3 seconds.
I ended up descending Marin avenue at the end of my ride on Sunday. I've already climbed Diablo + another 4000 feet that day but I was in awe of how steep the thing was going down so I turned around and climbed part of it. My legs just didn't have enough in them after 70 miles and 8000 feet to finish it but I'll be revisiting for sure!
#18
Senior Member
https://www.strava.com/segments/691975
^ near to me... reminds me of Diablo Wall (but harder) expect for missing out on the 10miles of hurt before it.
https://www.strava.com/segments/5021066
^ have not done this one in years because it is gated now and may be private and the gate is closed... it's brutal.
^ near to me... reminds me of Diablo Wall (but harder) expect for missing out on the 10miles of hurt before it.
https://www.strava.com/segments/5021066
^ have not done this one in years because it is gated now and may be private and the gate is closed... it's brutal.
#19
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Perie Lane
Perie lane 65m, 17% https://www.strava.com/segments/628994
This comes on top of a 150m, 1.5km (10%) climb of suncrest in the berryessa area of SJ
brake hard at the bottom of Perie! turn right and hit an easy 50mph on suncrest
This comes on top of a 150m, 1.5km (10%) climb of suncrest in the berryessa area of SJ
brake hard at the bottom of Perie! turn right and hit an easy 50mph on suncrest
#21
Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 21
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I'm kind of new to road cycling. Just moved to Cupertino and bought a road bike.
I went to try Regnart and had to stop 3 times to catch my breath. Redwood gulch was also a very hard one.
Reading your comments, I'm wondering how much training it will take me to even try my Diablo
Scary stuff right here
I went to try Regnart and had to stop 3 times to catch my breath. Redwood gulch was also a very hard one.
Reading your comments, I'm wondering how much training it will take me to even try my Diablo
Scary stuff right here
#22
Senior Member
https://www.strava.com/segments/691975
^ near to me... reminds me of Diablo Wall (but harder) expect for missing out on the 10miles of hurt before it.
^ near to me... reminds me of Diablo Wall (but harder) expect for missing out on the 10miles of hurt before it.
#25
Senior Member
Thread Starter