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Old 08-16-18, 10:54 AM
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San Francisco and cycling.

Having been raised in SoCal I developed an almost visceral dislike for San Francisco. Tony Bennett notwithstanding, I never left my heart in San Francisco.

Sure, the cable cars are cute, the Irish Coffee at the Buena Vista Cafe is to die for, and the Presidio has some of the best urban riding trails anywhere in the country.

But I always hated the Giants and the 49ers, UGH.

Now that I have two adult children living in San Francisco, things look a little differently. I would still not move there, even if I could afford it, but I can admit that Frisco ( I know, you hate that word) can get a few things right.

On a recent trip there I snapped these pictures. It is a summer riding academy to teach young children safe riding skills in an urban setting. I think that it is a brilliant idea. Educated riders are not only safer riders, but they also serve as goodwill ambassadors for the cycling community. And who knows, perhaps the next, great American cycling champ will come out of that group.

So thumbs up to San Francisco.




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Old 08-16-18, 11:15 AM
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Oh I forgot one more thing. Watching the fog roll in can be pretty nice too.





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I don't speak for everybody, but I think "San Fran" is worse than "Frisco". Grates on me. Frisco just sounds stupid
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Originally Posted by cthenn
I don't speak for everybody, but I think "San Fran" is worse than "Frisco". Grates on me. Frisco just sounds stupid
Perhaps the best sourdough bread made locally (SoCal) is made by the Frisco Baking Co.

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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia
Having been raised in SoCal I developed an almost visceral dislike for San Francisco. Tony Bennett notwithstanding, I never left my heart in San Francisco.

Having both grown up in So Cal and having lived in Nor Cal for 20+ years, it always seemed to me that the Nor Cal vs So Cal thing was mostly unidirectional (i.e. Northern Californians can't stand Southern California, but not vice versa). Interesting to see the opposite viewpoint. I like Northern and Southern California, albeit for very different reasons, as to me they inherently different places (even though they are both California proper). Glad you can appreciate aspects of SF, even if not the Niners and Giants, haha
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I spent 11 years in Oakland, S.F., and Alameda. I loved it immediately. I had a great time there. I played a lot of music, rode my Surly all over the place, and generally enjoyed ages 25-35 immensely. Then I moved to the L.A. area for a relationship and job. Both are awesome, but I did not immediately love L.A. There was definitely a breaking in period.

I had a realization. S.F. feels like one city. It has a lot of neighborhoods that are quite different, but there is a unified whole. Oakland is the same way. L.A. and the surrounding area is really about 100 mini cities all smooshed together. It's one city, but there is very little cohesion, at least to me. It's jarring, especially when in the car. I'll go out and make three of four stops and every place feels disconnected. I understand what people really stick to their neighborhoods here in L.A. Also, I think this is why it's so good on bike. If I ride from my home in Echo Park to the ocean, the neighborhoods change slow enough that it's not so psychologically jarring. It's also rad that I can hop on my road bike and be in some serious climbing in about 30 minutes. It took a while, but I know how to find what I love here in L.A.

So, I guess I love both places now.
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I like both and am more of a winter person so SF suits me...it feels like Winterfell over here, but if I had to pick one especially to retire, SoCal and Huntington Beach is where I'd go.
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live in san diego, grew up in la and bring the bike with me every few years to sf. love riding in all 3 cities but there's something about
riding across the golden gate and entering an entirely different world in marin.
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