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Bryan C. 03-18-20 12:04 PM

Riding during the shelter in place directive
 
Anyone riding? The Marin Bike Coalition says solo rides are ok for the next few weeks while everything is shut down.

I'm still working at my so-called essential service job but my hours are being cut. I figure with the extra free time I can get out on my bike and relax a bit.

Lots of stressed out people right now and we all need a way to relieve that stress.

2cam16 03-18-20 04:06 PM

I'm not since I always drive to a trail to ride (hate riding on the streets), so I started using my trainer. The driving to your ride area is questionable.
I've been seeing a few riders on the streets in my area.
Definitely need to go outside.

DiabloScott 03-18-20 06:50 PM

Mount Diablo is open. The campgrounds and visitor centers are closed. Riding is a little creepy but it's better than staying inside.
Better to ride to The Gate, but there's plenty of parking if you need to drive there.
They had snow at Summit yesterday so there was a short section of road closure because of that.
Italy is considering banning outdoor exersize, so this might not last... enjoy.

rumrunn6 03-18-20 07:31 PM

Police are keeping kids away from some parks I guess so they don’t all use the same play equipment

Pavol Stromcek 03-19-20 05:38 PM

I mentioned this in a thread in General, but I went on a ride through the Oakland hills yesterday and I saw quite a few more cyclists out than I normally would on a weekday afternoon - and far fewer cars. Saw more people strolling than usual too, and the parking lot for a popular trailhead on Skyline was packed.

I figure I should get in as much riding as I can while Alameda County is still allowing it amid the shelter-in-place order.

cthenn 03-19-20 10:49 PM

Well I hope with the latest shelter in place order for the entire state, we can get a bit more ahead of it, and not resort to such draconian measures as completely banning outdoor activities. It really is up to the individual to do the right thing, which can be an iffy proposition...

Cyclist0108 03-19-20 11:22 PM

This one looks a lot more stringent.

https://covid19.ca.gov/stay-home-except-for-essential-needs/

https://covid19.ca.gov/img/N-33-20.pdf


There aren't as many of the loop-holes that the county orders had. Nothing about outdoor recreation or even walking the dog. It isn't clear to me if I am allowed to go in to work to carry out Coronavirus research.

Pavol Stromcek 03-20-20 08:55 AM

According to this article, under the state-wide order, "Individuals can also leave their houses to take a walk or go for a jog so long as they are practicing the requisite precautions when coming into contact with another individual."

Riding solo is probably OK, but again, I wish they could be clearer or more explicit about that. It was only after people started clamoring for clarification that a San Francisco spokesperson said non-group cycling was OK after the shelter-in-place order went into effect there.

squirtdad 03-20-20 03:22 PM

Just rod los gatos creek trail as my commute is now about 15 feet. Lots of people out

ztmlgr 03-21-20 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Pavol Stromcek (Post 21374645)
..., and the parking lot for a popular trailhead on Skyline was packed.
.

I rode Skyline on Tuesday and EBRPD had barricaded the entrances to both Huckleberry and Sibley. I also heard the EBRPD cops were giving out tickets. Somebody at EBRPD overreacted big time. They removed the barricades by the next day (Wednesday). Only facilities and meeting rooms were supposed to have been closed. A lot of people were pissed.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a5ba27b15.jpg
Sibley on Tuesday after EBRPD knee-jerk reaction to shelter in place order.

Bob S 03-21-20 12:01 PM

Sonoma - Napa via Carneros
 
Rode mid morning Thursday from Sonoma over into Napa county primarily on Ramal Rd. Only a few other bikes out there and very few vehicles, several times went over 15 minutes without seeing any vehicles other than a tractor or two in the vineyards. Crossing Hwy 121 was relatively easy give the lighter than usual traffic

Pavol Stromcek 03-21-20 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by ztmlgr (Post 21376753)
I rode Skyline on Tuesday and EBRPD had barricaded the entrances to both Huckleberry and Sibley. I also heard the EBRPD cops were giving out tickets. Somebody at EBRPD overreacted big time. They removed the barricades by the next day (Wednesday). Only facilities and meeting rooms were supposed to have been closed. A lot of people were pissed.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a5ba27b15.jpg
Sibley on Tuesday after EBRPD knee-jerk reaction to shelter in place order.


Oh wow, that's nuts! I forgot to mention that on the ride I took Wednesday afternoon, Lake Temescal was closed. The gates were shut and locked. I ride through that park to get to Tunnel Road, and on Wednesday, I went through it anyway. I saw no EBRPD presence there, fortunately. I did see some guy walking his dog on that pedestrian/bike path that runs through it, though, so I wasn't the only person not deterred by the closed gates.

Somewhat strangely, on a ride I took yesterday (Friday) morning, I felt like I was actually seeing more cars than usual in the hills and on the back roads, especially along the length of Pinehurst and on parts of Skyline, whereas the more urban areas down the hill (Glenview, Montclair) were practically deserted. And given that the Sibley and Huckleberry parking lots were full that morning, it seems that maybe a lot of people must be hitting the trails.

Pavol Stromcek 03-22-20 03:16 PM

Just got back from another ride in the Oakland hills, and I couldn't believe how many cars there were up and down Skyline, Redwood, Pinehurst, etc., not to mention loads of cars parked up and down the roads near the trailheads, whose parking lots were overflowing. It was like being out on Memorial Day or something. I even got stuck behind a string of slow-poke cars going down Redwood. I never see this much traffic on these roads! In a way, it's really not such a great time for cycling, because you definitely don't have the roads to yourself.

I don't know - I can't help but feel like people are seriously pushing their luck with being allowed to go outdoors. So many people are descending on the parks and trails that the cities/counties, or even Newsom, could easily decide to crack down and start curtailing all outdoor activities. At the very least, I can envision them shutting down all the parks. I heard they closed Point Reyes due to out-of-control crowds. I think people need to be a little more creative about where they spend their time outdoors.

Plus, I've heard that so many people are clogging up certain hiking trails that it's impossible to keep a six-foot berth when passing people and maintain proper social distance.

Edit: And here it is: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/East-Bay-parks-may-be-next-to-close-as-huge-15149356.php?fbclid=IwAR3vq_WQ76wcGd6O4pjosVqEVQ4oAbVVvBix5urW_-wG0CNc4MZjAdo0ens

I wouldn't be surprised if they close all parks by the end of the week.

2cam16 03-22-20 04:23 PM

And these are the people that are going to ruin it for us. They seem to treat this as vacation time.Like there's nothing grave going on around us.
I wouldn't be surprised about closing ALL parks. SMH

ztmlgr 03-22-20 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Pavol Stromcek (Post 21378735)
I wouldn't be surprised if they close all parks by the end of the week.

Agree, but I think closing the parks would be a bad idea. EBRPD will put up the barricades "in the interest of public safety" and they'll face some serious civil unrest when people just hop the barricades. It was very crowded today (Sunday) but still not as crowded as yesterday (Saturday). Trailheads at Sibley and Tilden overflowing with parked cars. There is just not enough parking to handle the demand right now Can't say I would blame anyone as the parks belong to the people and many people, especially those with kids, probably don't feel safe walking in their own neighborhoods, either because of no sidewalks, traffic, or whatever.. I frequently ride in Sibley on Old Tunnel and the trails and my experience is that most park users have been respectful and practice social distancing.



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7e3dfd8cf1.jpg
Tilden - Inspiration Point - Wildcat Canyon Rd
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c7cfb18542.jpg
Sibley parking lot on Skyline

squirtdad 03-23-20 11:36 AM

looks like the weekend crowds cause closures in marin... don't seen anything like that in the southbay yet

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...e-15149675.php

Bryan C. 03-23-20 01:40 PM

Still haven't ventured out on my bike. Been busy with work and house projects. I kind of thought last weekend would be a zoo at all the local parks and I was right. I can see the lockdown being extended another week and more closures happening too.

Lots of people are out of jobs and losing money right now. It's a shame that some people aren't taking it seriously enough.

squirtdad 03-23-20 06:21 PM

Did errands (pharmacy) on my bike at lunch time (instead of commuting) very empty, downtown willowglen like a ghost town. I fully expect that shelter in place will be at minimum through april and very possibly thru may

cthenn 03-23-20 07:03 PM

Well, the idiots did it. Newsom just announced all state parks closed. Not entirely sure of the order, it seemed to mention "parking lots" and he's calling it a "soft" closure. It's only a matter of time before soft becomes hard (that's what she said!). So I don't know what that means for Diablo. The parking lots are all over the mountain, but supposedly this is not a full park closure. Ideally, the gates are closed, but hikers and cyclists can still go in assuming we practice social distancing...

2cam16 03-23-20 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by cthenn (Post 21380748)
Well, the idiots did it. Newsom just announced all state parks closed. Not entirely sure of the order, it seemed to mention "parking lots" and he's calling it a "soft" closure. It's only a matter of time before soft becomes hard (that's what she said!). So I don't know what that means for Diablo. The parking lots are all over the mountain, but supposedly this is not a full park closure. Ideally, the gates are closed, but hikers and cyclists can still go in assuming we practice social distancing...

Yeah, I think a full closure is bound to happen. Sad.

DiabloScott 03-23-20 11:25 PM

https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=30355

State Parks have an update page for virus closings. It says closed to vehicular traffic, still promoting hikes and bikes.

ztmlgr 03-24-20 07:30 AM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...953e06e53b.jpg

The new normal "social distancing" on the bike paths presents a challenge for cyclists. "On your left" seems to cause more confusion, plus it may cause the walker on the left to move to the right, thus violating the 6-foot distance requirement with their walking partner. I found it best to say nothing and just punch right between them, but that's not so good. Plus it's been very crowded with everyone trying to get out of the house. So I think I'll be avoiding riding on the bike paths if this is to continue.

Bryan C. 03-24-20 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by ztmlgr (Post 21381331)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...953e06e53b.jpg

The new normal "social distancing" on the bike paths presents a challenge for cyclists. "On your left" seems to cause more confusion, plus it may cause the walker on the left to move to the right, thus violating the 6-foot distance requirement with their walking partner. I found it best to say nothing and just punch right between them, but that's not so good. Plus it's been very crowded with everyone trying to get out of the house. So I think I'll be avoiding riding on the bike paths if this is to continue.


I prefer to just call out one word. Passing! Seems to work better and cause less confusion. Try it.

DrIsotope 03-24-20 09:07 AM

I am actively avoiding any sort of MUP/MUT for the foreseeable future. They are all absolutely jammed with people on their "COVID Vacation." Over the past two weeks, I've seen more people out on group walks and playing in playgrounds than I have in my entire life. Someone needs to lay out for these folks that it's social distancing that's important. Going out for a walk/bike/run is a great idea-- just maybe not in a group of 10.

cthenn 03-24-20 09:21 AM

Glad to see Diablo is not on the list yet. It's spring time, which is always crowded, and will probably be more so now. I think if they close off the summit parking lot and cone off severely the amount of parking in the lower summit lot, that might help. Rock City is the other tricky area, always lots of people there, but that seems harder to cordon off. I can also confirm what was said above about regional parks in the Berkely Hills. "COVID vacation" is right, people are treating this like it's all fun and games. I understand the need to break out of confinement, but no one is practicing social distancing! The other day I saw two families with like 8 kids all playing in a regional park parking lot! I was so mad at these negligent parents exposing those kids...


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