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Old 05-17-10, 09:57 AM
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visiting from NY ideas

Sharon and I are flying to San Francisco over Memorial Day weekend with our road bike, so we're thinking about where to ride. We're very accustomed to riding in traffic, and we'll have rental car with a rack to haul our bike around, so on any day we could try almost anything within a like a couple hours driving.

seaside -- We really like riding by water. One idea we've got is to go from San Francisco out to Tiburon and take the ferry back. Will they allow us to take our tandem on the ferry?
BART + trains: around New York we've got many trains + subways, but none of them permit us to bring our tandem. Is that true around SF?
So we're thinking that any other seaside ride we try has to make a loop into some inland hills -- which could be nice variety.
We heard about riding rt 1 together with an inland section N from Santa Cruz thru Big Basin park w redwoods, but then it mentioned 8 miles on a dirt road. Our tandem has narrow tires and Sharon riding in back doesn't like hitting lotsa bumbs, so unless it's very smooth dirt, that's not for us.
Is there a seaside/inland loop which combines pretty sea views with smoother inland roads?

animals -- I enjoy riding by cows + horses + goats + llamas. We know lots of roads w that in the Hudson valley in NY. Be great to know if there was some area for that in California.

wine -- I lack an appreciation for differences in roadside vineyard architecture, but Sharon thinks we ought to spend at least one day on it. Is there some wine country loop that has more than just vineyards to look at? Like on the map north of St Helena it shows "Pinnacles" -- are there actually some rock formations you can see from the road?
Oakville Grade? Is this worthwhile for some reason other than just an athletic challenge?
steep climbs -- I'm going to have a few days on my own before Sharon arrives. What I like most are roads with interesting variations in steepness. I'm less interested in well-engineered roads with a even steepness grade. Not much interested in vertical for vertical's sake. Since I'll be in single-bike mode for these, I'll have a greater tolerance for irregular surfaces.

I got a book about toughest road-bike climbs in the U.S. and it mentioned some between San Jose and Santa Cruz which sounded inviting (or intimidating), but I'm suspicious of the detailed accuracy of any book that tries to cover the entire country.

Marin Ave -- The book also mentioned Marin Ave, which sounded really exciting -- though this early in my season I expect to fail on it - gloriously or ingloriously. Is it really what they say? What are some other climbs around there which I could use as a warmup (or consolation)?

alpine climbs -- Lotsa years ago I drove my car over Sonora Pass, so I've long been dreaming of riding it sometime when it had snow. (Is it worth riding part of the west side even it the summit is closed by a big storm?)

Are there some other passes whose west side is worth riding while there's still some spring snow around?

Thanks for any suggestions you can offer.
Though we've done lots of riding in Europe, this is our first time trying a bicycling vacation like this in the U.S., so we chose northern California as our best shot at an area we could really enjoy.

Ken

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Old 05-17-10, 11:40 AM
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Here's my favorite ride since I live in the East Bay. It's got hills, beautiful views of the Bay, not too much traffic and courteous drivers.

https://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united...27385267251805

I used to live in Healdsburg in Sonoma County. I don't think that you can beat the ambience of riding through the Dry Creek or Alexander Valleys. A lot less traffic than in Napa.

The folks on the Peninsula can point your toward rides that go over to the coast.
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Old 05-17-10, 12:05 PM
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I'm originally from Nj and lived in NYC for years - you'll like riding here!

Trains - the only one I'm really familiar with is the BART, which is identical to the PATH trains between NJ and NYC. Literally identical - same cars. I've never seen a tandem on one, but the trains are very uncrowded on weekends unless there's an A's game in Oakland or something similar. I'd assume that they are not tandem friendly.

Wine country - if you don't mind some challenging climbing along the way, you can make a wonderful loop in Sonoma that includes going along the coast, through redwood forests and wine country. I'm thinking of King's Ridge, then down to the coast and back by Hwy 1 to Chapman Valley Rd (where you will see the road painted with lots of signs from the Tour of California). You can use Occidental as the starting point for this loop. You actually miss most of wine country on this loop, but the riding is spectacular. There are lots of other very nice scenic loops through wine country, including a couple in Livermore closer to where I live. Others may have a favorite that they'll chime in with.

Steep climbs - check out the billy goat list to get a local perspective on the climbs you might be doing: https://www.actc.org/billygoats/index.php As for Marin Ave, search this forum for it - it was part of Beaker's East Bay Death Ride. I haven't done it, but it looks like an absolute killer - I'm not aware of any road in or around NYC (or upstate for that matter) that comes close to how steep this sucker is. Before WWII it was not even open to cars - only cable cars went up and down it. Some of my local favorites include Sierra Road, Redwood Gulch, Jamison Creek, Bonny Doon, Tunitas Creek, Mt. Diablo (not really all that steep, but at 10 + miles long with a killer final climb to the summit), Morgan Territory, Mt. Hamilton (the back is significantly more challenging than climbing it from San Jose), Fort Ross, Skaggs Springs - if you like climbing you're coming to a really good spot!

Alpine climbs - Sonora is on my list of ones to do. Other good ones include the ones south of Lake Tahoe that are covered in the Death Ride or the Alta Alpina double century - Ebbets, Monitor, Carson, Luther, Blue Lakes. For my taste, Carson and Luther get too much traffic, but the scenery is beautiful on all of them. Don't expect anywhere to stop for water or food though! You might want to check with the Alta Alpina club and see if they have any club rides going while you are in town - the passes can be very remote, and don't typically have cell coverage is anything goes wrong. Another option is going from Bear Valley to Markleeville or vice versa - this will take you over the Pacific Grade (as steep in places as Sonora Pass) and Ebbets. There is a century route that includes this and then goes back to Bear Valley: https://www.mtadventure.com/pages/century.html#ebbetts a pretty cool ride report is here: https://tzsak.com/index.php?module=pa...position=65:65 It would be easy to follow this route (maybe skipping the out and backs if time is a concern).

A less challenging option is to ride out to Tioga Pass in Yosemite. This is a long45 mile ride each way. It's mostly uphill on the way out, going from about 6k feet to just shy of 10k feet. There are several long descents breaking up the uphill portions, so you also get to climb coming back! A good description is on the Chain Reaction website: https://www.chainreaction.com/tiogapass.htm They also have a description of riding Sonora Pass: https://www.chainreaction.com/sonora_pass.htm

I'm sure a few BF folks will be around that weekend riding - unfortunately, I'm camping with my kids up in Humboldt County. Have fun!

JB

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Old 05-17-10, 01:43 PM
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Hi Ken, funny that you are coming to SF while I will be packing my bike up for Europe. here are a few recommendations:

seaside -- SF to Tiburon and around Paradise Drive is a classic easy roller ride from SF. If you are only riding one way , it isn't all that challenging. If you wanted to do more miles and don't mind some climbs, I would recommend combining it with a ride along the coast (especially if you really like riding by water). So take the bike path into Mill Valley, climb over to Muir Beach and Stinson, then back over to Tiburon and the Ferry. If inclined, you can also go to the top of Mt. Tam. And yes, you can take the tandem on the ferry, subject to there being space with all the tourists, just be nice to the Blue and Gold ferry staff and they will generally make anything happen.

"Is there a seaside/inland loop which combines pretty sea views with smoother inland roads?" Depending on how much climbing you want to do, I think three of the best rides around are: (i) the ride mentioned above along Hwy 1 (Muir/Stinson); (ii) the Fort Ross loop in Sonoma county (or King Ridge, for additional challenge); and (iii) riding from Palo Alto to the coast, then back over via Stage Road/Tunitas Creek.

"I enjoy riding by cows + horses + goats + llamas. We know lots of roads w that in the Hudson valley in NY. Be great to know if there was some area for that in California." Anything in West Marin or Sonoma counties is sure to provide your fill of cows, horses, deer, seals, turkeys, etc.

In the wine country, there are tons of rides. Feel free to PM me and I can throw out some suggestions based on length and difficulty.

"Alpine climbs -- Are there some other passes whose west side is worth riding while there's still some spring snow around?" Most of the transsierra passes worth riding are still closed. I'm not sure if you are up for a drive, but if so, Monitor Pass from either direction is great (including as an over and back ride) and can be combined with a ride up Ebbetts Pass from the east up to snowline (not sure where that stands right now).
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Old 05-17-10, 05:33 PM
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SF to Tiburon and around Paradise Drive is a classic easy roller ride from SF. If you are only riding one way , it isn't all that challenging.
Funny I hadn't thought of it that way when I read about it and eagerly laid it out on the map, but now that you mention it ... does sorta look like Sharon + I would want something more than that to take advantage of a nice weather day.

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So take the bike path into Mill Valley, climb over to Muir Beach and Stinson, then back over to Tiburon and the Ferry. If inclined, you can also go to the top of Mt. Tam.
Sounds great. Never thought of trying it until this discussion thread.
Thanks a lot.

funny that you are coming to SF while I will be packing my bike up for Europe.
I'm pretty sure my chance for that will come in September -- but I do admit that June is a better time for riding in the Alps.

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Old 05-17-10, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathanb715 View Post
If you don't mind some challenging climbing along the way, you can make a wonderful loop in Sonoma that includes going along the coast, through redwood forests and wine country. I'm thinking of King's Ridge, then down to the coast and back by Hwy 1 to Chapman Valley Rd (where you will see the road painted with lots of signs from the Tour of California). You can use Occidental as the starting point
So that would be like an extension of this loop:
https://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...e-Meyers-Grade
Looks like two questions are:
* views above the ocean on Sea View - Meyers Grade versus alongside on rt 1.
* extending S of Jenner, make another loop to Occidental with Coleman Valley Rd (I couldn't find any Chapman Valley)

Looks like some great options to have to choose from -- Thanks.

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Trains - the only one I'm really familiar with is the BART, which is identical to the PATH trains between NJ and NYC. Literally identical - same cars.
That is remarkable. Sharon sees the PATH cars almost every day. She suggests that the critical thing is not the cars, but the people managing them.

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Old 05-17-10, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken Roberts View Post
So that would be like an extension of this loop:
https://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...e-Meyers-Grade
Looks like two questions are:
* views above the ocean on Sea View - Meyers Grade versus alongside on rt 1.
* extending S of Jenner, make another loop to Occidental with Coleman Valley Rd (I couldn't find any Chapman Valley)

Looks like some great options to have to choose from -- Thanks.


That is remarkable. Sharon sees the PATH cars almost every day. She suggests that the critical thing is not the cars, but the people managing them.

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Sorry - i meant Coleman Valley! I was talking with someone named Chapman just before I typed that - oops! Otherwise, that is exactly what I was thinking. From Occidental, you just follow Bohemian Hwy up to Monte Rio and use this route to get to Kings Ridge. You will get plenty of spectacular ocean views! I've attached a few photos from the last time I rode this with some friends.











Just a word of warning - be prepared for any weather. As you can see on the day we did it, it varied from warm and sunny to brisk and overcast on the coast. The person who posted that bikely route is also correct about lack of services - bring plenty of water and food.

I haven't ridden up there enough to fully answer all your questions, though - maybe someone more local could help out? I like Occidental as a place to start the ride - tons of character, and no one seems to mind if you park in any of the parking lots along the highway.

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Old 05-17-10, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by steeleman View Post
"Is there a seaside/inland loop which combines pretty sea views with smoother inland roads?" Depending on how much climbing you want to do, I think three of the best rides around are: (i) the ride mentioned above along Hwy 1 (Muir/Stinson); (ii) the Fort Ross loop in Sonoma county (or King Ridge, for additional challenge) ...
Searching around the web I'm finding a variety of different proposals for what "the" loop for Fort Ross should be. One which I'm not finding anybody suggesting (? but maybe it offers the most sea views in the shortest miles ?) is to just ride one direction on rt 1 and the other way on Meyers Grade / Sea View. But I'd be happy to hear why that's really not such a good loop.
(Then if we're really liking the seaside riding, extend to some more -- otherwise put the bike on the car and drive to Healdsburg, take the bike off and see if we can satisfy Sharon's desire for some wine country riding.)
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... (iii) riding from Palo Alto to the coast, then back over via Stage Road/Tunitas Creek.
I'm thinking you're suggesting somthing like this:
https://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united...alto/466146697
Looks like the ratio of climbing work to seaside views is kinda high. But maybe we could "cheat" by using Skyline Blvd / rt 35 to cut the loop in the middle, omit the Palo Alto start/finish, so avoid lots of climbing on the east side?

Anything in West Marin or Sonoma counties is sure to provide your fill of cows, horses, deer, seals, turkeys, etc.
Good -- we'll check it out.

Most of the transsierra passes worth riding are still closed.
You saying that made me try a web search -- with discouraging news for Sonora + Ebbetts. Perhaps the approach of Memorial Day will change things?

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Old 05-17-10, 08:12 PM
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I found Fort Ross to be an amazing climb - like "I'm amazed anyone would think it's a good idea to build a road this steep!" It goes up over 1200 feet in barely more than 2 miles, so an 11 or 12% average grade? Definitely one of the steepest roads around, especially for that distance. While I enjoyed all the rides I've done that included Fort Ross, I don't think I ever checked out the scenery on it. Which is a shame, I'm sure, since it starts right by the ocean and climbs up to Kings Ridge.

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Old 05-17-10, 08:42 PM
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I found Fort Ross to be an amazing climb - like "I'm amazed anyone would think it's a good idea to build a road this steep!"
Yes but for the "seaside" (near the wine grapes) part of the trip I was more thinking of riding with Sharon on our tandem. So for now I'm taking this description as a Warning to find some moderate climb which gets to the same views.

like in those pretty photos -- which I'm taking as a strong invitation.

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I used to live in Healdsburg in Sonoma County. I don't think that you can beat the ambience of riding through the Dry Creek or Alexander Valleys. A lot less traffic than in Napa.
OK, I'll accept that strong nudge away from St Helena toward Healdsburg. Seems like the goodness of riding along Dry Creek has already reached far beyond California riders.

Searching the web for ideas about how to combine it with Alexander Valley discloses . . . routes with every conceivable combination of linking Dry and Alexander and/or some roads south toward Santa Rosa.
I guess there was a brief "perfect moment" in the history of the Web when there was only one short route and one long route around Healdsburg -- and visiting cyclists would ride forth in confidence that they were doing the right thing. Nowadays we must choose among many, and ride with specific knowledge that multiple other cyclists think our choice is inferior.
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Here's my favorite ride since I live in the East Bay. It's got hills, beautiful views of the Bay, not too much traffic and courteous drivers.
https://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united...27385267251805
I'd sorta heard there was some nice riding around there. Somehow I envisioned that I would get to it by riding up from Berkeley (like on Spruce St and Wildcat Canyon?).

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Originally Posted by Ken Roberts View Post
Funny I hadn't thought of it that way when I read about it and eagerly laid it out on the map, but now that you mention it ... does sorta look like Sharon + I would want something more than that to take advantage of a nice weather day.


Sounds great. Never thought of trying it until this discussion thread.
Thanks a lot.
To do this route, follow this on Google Maps: 1. get yourself to the bridge, then down the hill into sausalito. 2. Follow the well established bike lanes to a bike path that runs in between the bayshore and Hwy 101, then onto the estuary. 3. Immediately before the Mill Valley Community Center, turn left off the bike path onto Sycamore Ave. 4. Follow Sycamore until it curves left onto La Goma. 5. Follow La Goma across and it turns into Montford (at the "2AM Club" aka "The Deuce"). 6. Follow this up to the crest ("Four Corners") through a series of roads that all have different names, but just always take the main path that heads UPHILL. 7. At "Four Corners" (top of Sequoia Valley Road), drop down into Muir Woods and to Muir Beach. 8. From there, climb big rollers along a rocky shoreline to Stinson Beach. 9. Just before Stinson Beach, shift into your climbing gears and turn right onto Panoramic Hwy. 10. Climb climb and climb with awesome views back up and over to Four Corners. 11. Go back down the way you came up and get back to the bike path. 12. Either ride back to SF over the bridge, or cheat and follow E. Blithedale road into Tiburon (where I live), have a well deserved drink at Sam's and take the ferry back across.

More great info on the coastal portion of this ride here:
https://www.abovecategorynews.com/200...y-stinson.html
and here:
https://www.abovecategorynews.com/201...unch-ride.html
and here:
https://velomarin.blogspot.com/2008/0...-pt-reyes.html
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Originally Posted by Ken Roberts View Post
OK, I'll accept that strong nudge away from St Helena toward Healdsburg. Seems like the goodness of riding along Dry Creek has already reached far beyond California riders.

Searching the web for ideas about how to combine it with Alexander Valley discloses . . . routes with every conceivable combination of linking Dry and Alexander and/or some roads south toward Santa Rosa.
I guess there was a brief "perfect moment" in the history of the Web when there was only one short route and one long route around Healdsburg -- and visiting cyclists would ride forth in confidence that they were doing the right thing. Nowadays we must choose among many, and ride with specific knowledge that multiple other cyclists think our choice is inferior.
I'd sorta heard there was some nice riding around there. Somehow I envisioned that I would get to it by riding up from Berkeley (like on Spruce St and Wildcat Canyon?).

Ken
Canyon Road is a good direct road between Dry Creek and Alexander Valleys.

You could take BART over to Orinda and start your ride from there. If you start from the Berkeley side, you could take Spruce up to Grizzly Peak or you could try Marin Ave. (course there's the matter of some 25% grades)
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Originally Posted by Ken Roberts View Post
Searching around the web I'm finding a variety of different proposals for what "the" loop for Fort Ross should be. One which I'm not finding anybody suggesting (? but maybe it offers the most sea views in the shortest miles ?) is to just ride one direction on rt 1 and the other way on Meyers Grade / Sea View. But I'd be happy to hear why that's really not such a good loop.
The Fort Ross Loop I'm talking about is basically the same ride as the King Ridge Loop cited above, only instead of taking King Ridge Road to Seaview/Meyers Grade, you cut straight across on King Ridge Road. This chops off about 17 miles or so of very difficult climbing (which are, of course, fantastic as well).

Here is a map (and embedded slide show) of when we rode the King Ridge loop from Occidental and finished on Coleman Valley. If you zoom in on the map at Cazadero, you see that you can take the right fork to King Ridge (indicated on the map) or the left fork to Fort Ross. https://www.mtbguru.com/trip/show_sta...coleman-valley
Fort Ross is like a baby brother to King Ridge -- similar steep climbing and expansive views of the coastal mountains, but much shorter, with more shade and quite manageable.

And if you like riding along the sea, the ride from the top of Meyers Grade (near the intersection with Fort Ross) all the way to Coleman Valley Road is simply fantastic. In particular, the stretch from the top of the Meyers Grade ridge to the beach at Russian Gulch drops around 1400' in a couple miles of twisty fun roads. This stretch of road never fails to impress even those who ride this road regularly.

Shady climb on Ft. Ross:




Top of Meyers Grade:




I'm thinking you're suggesting somthing like this:
https://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united...alto/466146697
Looks like the ratio of climbing work to seaside views is kinda high. But maybe we could "cheat" by using Skyline Blvd / rt 35 to cut the loop in the middle, omit the Palo Alto start/finish, so avoid lots of climbing on the east side?
Yes, that is basically the route, although I usually descend Kings Mountain road into Woodside, then ride back to the start (instead of Skyline). It is a fair point about the ratio of sea views to climbing. There's a good amount of climbing here, but you'll see your cows and horses, a bit of the sea, a bit of the hills, etc. Its a great ride, but you are right there are others with better sea views.


You saying that made me try a web search -- with discouraging news for Sonora + Ebbetts. Perhaps the approach of Memorial Day will change things?
I would give that good odds. The latest report on ttips (generally the best source for eastside road openings) has Tioga opening for Memorial Day. If Tioga is open, then the others should be as well, or at least not far behind. If Ebbetts is open, I would do that one. Its a great pass. I've never done Sonora, but that is alleged to be quite the ballbuster...
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...with discouraging news for Sonora + Ebbetts...
I'm getting similarly discouraging news about the Galibier. Not sure if it will be open by June 6 when I'll be there.
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Originally Posted by steeleman View Post
The Fort Ross Loop I'm talking about is basically the same ride as the King Ridge Loop cited above, only instead of taking King Ridge Road to Seaview/Meyers Grade, you cut straight across on King Ridge Road. This chops off about 17 miles or so of very difficult climbing (which are, of course, fantastic as well).

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I've only climbed Ft. Ross from Hwy 1 up towards Kings Ridge, haven't tried it the way Steelman is suggesting. Sounds like that would make and easier and shorter loop than the Kings Ridge loop I was suggesting.

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Originally Posted by steeleman View Post
The Fort Ross Loop I'm talking about . . .
If you zoom in on the map at Cazadero, you see that you can take the right fork to King Ridge (indicated on the map) or the left fork to Fort Ross. https://www.mtbguru.com/trip/show_sta...coleman-valley
Fort Ross is like a baby brother to King Ridge -- similar steep climbing and expansive views of the coastal mountains, but much shorter, with more shade and quite manageable.
Now I get it. I hadn't noticed that possibility. Does look like an option Sharon + I would want to use.

And the photos -- Yes that's what we're dreaming of finding -- Thanks.

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Here is my favorite bike ride on the San Francisco peninsula. Start at Stanford University (in the upper right) and do the loop clockwise. There are 2 long climbs on old narrow roads with varied grades. Lots of beautiful hill/forest/ocean scenery. Regularly see hawks and vultures flying overhead and deer running around. Sometimes coyotes, too. There are goats and llama farms in Pescadero. Horses in Woodside. Sometimes cattle along the upper part of Alpine Road. Old growth redwood trees along the bottom part of Alpine Road. Generally light traffic. Around 60 miles with 6000 feet of climbing.


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I've only climbed Ft. Ross from Hwy 1 up towards Kings Ridge, haven't tried it the way Steelman is suggesting. Sounds like that would make and easier and shorter loop than the Kings Ridge loop I was suggesting.

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Yeah, I meant to say "you cut straight across on Fort Ross Road", but you figured it out.
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Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
Here is my favorite bike ride on the San Francisco peninsula. Start at Stanford University (in the upper right) and do the loop clockwise. There are 2 long climbs on old narrow roads with varied grades. Lots of beautiful hill/forest/ocean scenery. Regularly see hawks and vultures flying overhead and deer running around. Sometimes coyotes, too. There are goats and llama farms in Pescadero. Horses in Woodside. Sometimes cattle along the upper part of Alpine Road. Old growth redwood trees along the bottom part of Alpine Road. Generally light traffic. Around 60 miles with 6000 feet of climbing.

Ken, turn your TV to versus in about 10 mins and you'll see the pro peleton riding much of these roads in the Amgen tour. They are descending Kings Mtn as I type this...
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Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
Here is my favorite bike ride on the San Francisco peninsula. Start at Stanford University (in the upper right) and do the loop clockwise. There are 2 long climbs on old narrow roads with varied grades. Lots of beautiful hill/forest/ocean scenery. Regularly see hawks and vultures flying overhead and deer running around. Sometimes coyotes, too. There are goats and llama farms in Pescadero. Horses in Woodside. Sometimes cattle along the upper part of Alpine Road. Old growth redwood trees along the bottom part of Alpine Road. Generally light traffic. Around 60 miles with 6000 feet of climbing.

you can't go wrong with that route either! You can get a little more riding along the ocean by simply going straight through Pescadero and then up Hwy 1 instead of taking the right on Stage Rd. For most of us, the traffic and headwind on Hwy 1 gets old pretty fast, which is why we'll usually take Stage Rd. Don't miss the artichoke bread in Pescadero if you do this ride!

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That is a very good mid-peninsula loop. I love it, but would descend down 84 and ride that to Stage instead of going down Tunitas.
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I live in the south bay, I don't know what the official rules are, but my wife (also named Sharon) and I have brought our tandem on caltrain and on the VTA light rail system. It is a bit awkward on light rail - they have racks that you hang your bike on, which won't fit a tandem, but I just hold it, and keep out of the way, and haven't had any issues. No clue how BART works.
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That is a very good mid-peninsula loop. I love it, but would descend down 84 and ride that to Stage instead of going down Tunitas.
Clockwise loop goes up Tunitas, just like the Tour of California guys did today. They also went down Pescadero Road, which is another part of the loop.
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If you watched the Tour of California on Stage 3 - from SF to Santa Cruz, and like that scenery, I would be glad to lead you on a ride along the same roads. I live right in the midst of that. Redwood forests, bucolic farms with llamas, horses, goats, peacocks, and finally ocean views. I'll bet we could get some of the gang here to join us too. It would be along the western portion of the map that Johnny99 posted.

You call the distance, elevation, scenery, etc... I'll pick the route and lead the ride.
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