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tdf, wtf?

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Lighter side of the TdF ......

https://www.cyclingfans.com/node/2569
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Lighter side of the TdF ......

https://www.cyclingfans.com/node/2569
Those guys are pretty amusing, especially the Bad Translation videos.
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Old 07-11-11, 05:31 PM
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Those guys are pretty amusing, especially the Bad Translation videos.
Did you see last year when they did the interviews around the two climbers who got into a fight at the finish? "Biff on the bike.." Hilarious!
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Ahhhh....I found last year's interview of the decade. Take a few minutes and watch this. Funny stuff!

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8 men forced to abandon in one day. Vino with a broken pelvis. Zabriskie with a broken wrist! WTF!?! Excellent sportsmanship from Voekler, though. Contador could learn a thing or two from that.
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Old 07-11-11, 07:11 PM
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8 men forced to abandon in one day. Vino with a broken pelvis. Zabriskie with a broken wrist! WTF!?! Excellent sportsmanship from Voekler, though. Contador could learn a thing or two from that.
Agree with everything but the last sentence. Voeckler properly waited because what happened to them was entirely not their fault and they group of five was just riding tempo at the time - no hammer had gone down.

On the other hand, Schleck had launched an attack and Contador was responding to it at the time Schleck fluffed a shift. So there are two major differences: (1) Eiother Schleck or, if you belive the after-race reports, his crew blew it; and (2) the hammer had been dropped by Schleck himself. Schleck's anger - and that of others - was and remains misplaced. The fault lies wither with Andy for fluffing a shift or hios crew for setting the bike up wrong. I'll grant you it's a close-ish call, but it certainly is not the open-and-shut case of bad sportsmanship by Contador that so many want to make it.

Also note that Voeckler's sportsmanship only went so far; he didn't wait forever and you'll note the two never did get back on. This is not a slam of Voeckler - I think he was quite gallant, and I'm a fan of his and have been ever since his 10 days in yellow - just a reminder that there are limits even to a gentleman's act of skindness and sportsmanship.
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I agree with Shleck it was not clear cut. That being said Contandor attacking Vino, his own teammate at the time, was just low.
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Old 07-13-11, 07:50 PM
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looking forward to a nice sane mountain stage tomorrow.
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Old 07-14-11, 01:00 PM
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I'll grant you it's a close-ish call, but it certainly is not the open-and-shut case of bad sportsmanship by Contador that so many want to make it.
I'd rather not get into a huge debate here over whether or not Contador is a cheat, or the world's greatest cyclist, or whether or not he upholds gentleman's rules, or if he's a total opportunist. That issue has been beaten into the ground everywhere, from television and internet news, to this very forum's pro racing threads. At this point, no one's opinions are gonna be changed. All I'm gonna say is that I don't like him. You can assume whatever else you want from that.

The race has been very exhilarating thus far. I personally feel as though crashes take away from the competition, so I'm really glad the mountains are here.
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in the schleck sandwich contador is the mayo. soft, greasy, and squishing out the sides when pressure is applied.
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and then there was that sprinter that TT'd to the finish of a mountain stage.
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I'd rather not get into a huge debate here over whether or not Contador is a cheat, or the world's greatest cyclist, or whether or not he upholds gentleman's rules, or if he's a total opportunist. That issue has been beaten into the ground everywhere, from television and internet news, to this very forum's pro racing threads. At this point, no one's opinions are gonna be changed. All I'm gonna say is that I don't like him. You can assume whatever else you want from that.

The race has been very exhilarating thus far. I personally feel as though crashes take away from the competition, so I'm really glad the mountains are here.
Sorry if I came across as being overbearing - that wasn't my intent. You expressed your opinion, I was expressing mine, and it's all good. Friendly discussions and disagreements are not a bad thing at all, provided the emphasis is on "friendly." That was my intent - sorry if my aim was off.

As for you not liking Contador - I assume nothing from that other than you don't like him. You have plenty of company. FWIW, I don't dislike him so much as think he still has a lot to learn about tactics and how to make the most of his obvious talent. In some ways, he's like Lance was in his pre-cancer days: cocky, relying on talent and not very well versed in using his team and measuring out his efforts to his best advantage. Lance learned. In at least one of his Tour wins (2003, I think - the one where he ended up winning by about a minute after almost blowng up completely on a final climb) he was not the strongest rider - Ulrich clearly was. But Lance used his team and his experience to minimize his losses, got through his rough patches (and there were several of them) and figured out how to win. Great champions, in whatever sport, find a way to win even when not at their best. I'm not convinced Contador has that ability, nor has he yet shown a capacity to learn it.

He also has yet to show that he knows how to recruit and motivate teammates. Whatever you think about Lance, he had absolute loyalty from his teammates for several reasons: (1) when they were signed, it was always with the clear understanding where they were in the pecking order; (2) when they busted their butts to get Lance into position, he delivered, which (3) put more money in the teammates' pockets, not just from sharing the prize money but also from the "Lance bonuses" he paid out of his own pocket; and (4) more than once Lance rewarded a top lieutenant by acting as a "super domestique" for that rider in lesser but still important races. The edges of the loyalty may be fraying now (subpoenas to testify in front of federal grand juries have a tendency to do that), but most of the Postal/Discovery boys were more than happy to have jobs supporting Armstrong.

I don't see evidence that Contador has picked up on any of these lessons. And at lest so far, he is the most isolated of the major contenders. Evans and Schleck are routinely at the front with multiple teammates on the flatter stages and have helpers on the big ones - Contador's team is much more uneven in both areas.

When Contador is on, he is clearly a world-beater. Now let's see what he can do when his form is off (and it clearly has been, for whatever reason). His win at the Giro a couple years ago when Astana was allowed in at the last minute isn't really a good indicator. Yes, he was not on his best form and had to ride hmself into shape in teh first half of the race, but he also had no pressure on him because nothing was expected of him. The weight of the world is on his shoulders now, and he is not 100% physically. I will be interested to see how he does.

I am rooting for Cadel Evans, though. I'd like to see him bag one TdF before we get to back to few more years of the Albert v. Andy rivalry (which has the potential to be one of the all-time great Tour rivalries).
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Rich, that was a master crafted post if ever I read one, kudos!
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If he can recover over the next 3 days , stage 18 and 19 will be the defining moment. My guess is Contador is in a big energy debt, one that he will not be able to recover from. He gambled winning the Giro and now he is paying for it. Lets not forget about the 42km TT.
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Sorry if I came across as being overbearing - that wasn't my intent. You expressed your opinion, I was expressing mine, and it's all good. Friendly discussions and disagreements are not a bad thing at all, provided the emphasis is on "friendly." That was my intent - sorry if my aim was off.
You didn't, and it wasn't. One of my favorite things about the NorCal forum is the lack of arguing for the sake of arguing. All opinions are welcome !

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I don't see evidence that Contador has picked up on any of these lessons. And at lest so far, he is the most isolated of the major contenders. Evans and Schleck are routinely at the front with multiple teammates on the flatter stages and have helpers on the big ones - Contador's team is much more uneven in both areas.
Contador's team just hasn't been supporting him. During the first week of the Tour he was the only rider from his team to place in the top 100. They're a bit closer now, but the team effort just doesn't look that good. We've seen Garmin-Cervelo fighting for Farrar against HTC fighting for Cav, with Radioshack absolutely devastated and knowing that they can't work without their whole team. Meanwhile, Contador is riding completely solo the entire way.

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When Contador is on, he is clearly a world-beater. Now let's see what he can do when his form is off (and it clearly has been, for whatever reason). The weight of the world is on his shoulders now, and he is not 100% physically. I will be interested to see how he does.
IMO, he just doesn't have it in him. Too many people don't want to see Contador in Yellow, and he doesn't have the inner strength to prove them wrong. The Schlecks want it. Cadel wants it. Voekler and the entire nation of France want it. He gave a lot in the Giro, and winning a Grand Tour isn't a walk through the park. I don't think he has it in himself (team support aside) to win a fourth Tour.

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I am rooting for Cadel Evans, though. I'd like to see him bag one TdF before we get to back to few more years of the Albert v. Andy rivalry (which has the potential to be one of the all-time great Tour rivalries).
It'd be nice to see Cadel take it, given his age and how many more Tours we can expect him to take part in. But I think I gotta give my support to one of the Schlecks.
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They may have let Contador recover without any real nails in the coffin...could be a big mistake.
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They may have let Contador recover without any real nails in the coffin...could be a big mistake.
Or maybe everyone was overestimating the Schlecks to begin with.
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