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Old 07-07-13, 08:34 AM
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Chris Froome

So the winner of the Diablo stage, Leopold Konig, did the mountain in about 37'. VanGarderen and Rogers about 20 seconds behind. Well Konig was not a factor on any of the Giro climbs, and Vangarderen and Rogers got smoked yesterday at the Tour by Froome. So...makes me wonder, would Froome be able to do South Gate to Summit in under 30 minutes? I'd be interested to watch this juiced up donkey big-ring the whole damn climb. It would be fascinating, just for the spectacle. Team Sky for the ToC next year!
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Old 07-07-13, 03:58 PM
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I don't have anything good to say about Froome right now. I'm highly suspicious that Team Sky is doping. Froome's performance yesterday was, to borrow a phrase, not normal.
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Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
I don't have anything good to say about Froome right now. I'm highly suspicious that Team Sky is doping. Froome's performance yesterday was, to borrow a phrase, not normal.
Not to be a negative Nelly, but wouldn't it be easier to comment on who isn't doping? That said, I have enjoyed the modest amount of the Tour that I've watched. Hopefully the UK doesn't have their own Lance in Chris Froome.
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Originally Posted by skijor View Post
Not to be a negative Nelly, but wouldn't it be easier to comment on who isn't doping? That said, I have enjoyed the modest amount of the Tour that I've watched. Hopefully the UK doesn't have their own Lance in Chris Froome.
In general, it's looking a lot cleaner and more believable. But for Froome....
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Old 07-07-13, 05:10 PM
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Froome could have won the Tour last year. He clearly was as good as Wiggins if not better but he had to follow team orders to support their leader.

As for doping... last year Wiggins claimed he was 100% clean and so does Froome this year. Of course so did Amstrong, Contador, Hamilton, Landis, Ullrich, Riis, and others in their time. That doesn't mean Wiggins and Froome doped but the suspicion is on them as it will be on all future Tour winners in the next few years.

It's like in photography, a few photogs get caught cheating with Photoshop and all good images are now suspicious.

I prefer to enjoy the show, think positive about it and be happy. After all if they doped that's their life they are messing up with, it doesn't have to spoil my enjoyment of riding the bike and of the spirit of the sport.
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Originally Posted by gpelpel View Post

I prefer to enjoy the show, think positive about it and be happy. After all if they doped that's their life they are messing up with, it doesn't have to spoil my enjoyment of riding the bike and of the spirit of the sport.
Exactly - it's entertainment and these guys are performers. That was a couple of exciting stages in the Pirineos... precisely what mountain stages should be.

My gripe is that it looks like Froome should be on a larger bike - dude has the suplesse of a cow on stilts.
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Originally Posted by gpelpel View Post
I prefer to enjoy the show, think positive about it and be happy. After all if they doped that's their life they are messing up with, it doesn't have to spoil my enjoyment of riding the bike and of the spirit of the sport.
+1, Well said
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Old 07-08-13, 04:00 AM
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Saturday's stage was classic Team Sky tactics. Sunday's stage was Froome all alone and exposed, noone on Movistar or Saxo-Tinkoff could hedge any serious attack on Froome, that was impressive. I would be hard-pressed to say Froome is doping, the environment against doping is strongest within Team Sky, their policy is no rider/coach with a past offense of doping period, a non-forgiveness policy.

Not that its a positive indicator but times at Alpe d'Huez are going to be slower this year. I expect a 40' time from the field.

Considering that during the mid-90's to early 2000's Alpe d'Huez times are 37-38' and they've regressed to 40' mark in the late 2000's and early 2010's.
Something will definitely be a red flag if Froome posts a time considerably faster than a sub 40'
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Old 07-08-13, 11:29 AM
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My thoughts exactly.
Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Exactly - it's entertainment and these guys are performers.
Originally Posted by gpelpel View Post
I prefer to enjoy the show, think positive about it and be happy. After all if they doped that's their life they are messing up with, it doesn't have to spoil my enjoyment of riding the bike and of the spirit of the sport.
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I was certainly a little skeptical of the time that CF posted relative to historical fastest times up Ax3, but in the interests of keeping an open mind, I listened to this fascinating podcast with Michael Creed who has an interesting take on the team Sky situation. Be warned, if you don't like hearing profanity then best not click the link....

http://events.cyclismas.podomatic.co...13_05_45-07_00
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Originally Posted by gpelpel View Post
Froome could have won the Tour last year. He clearly was as good as Wiggins if not better but he had to follow team orders to support their leader.
I think that that experience made him hungry and he really does seem to be at the top of his game. And as diegomayra posted, this team seems to be letting people know that there will be no support for cheaters.
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Old 07-14-13, 01:03 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AICA_ribonucleotide

Apparently some "talk" about this "new" drug on a french cycling website!

Incidentally it will provoke weight loss with increase cardiac performance!

Froome's performance on Mt, Ventoux were incredible, his past cycling performances
were very average until last year!

It is only normal to wonder and so many do after 7 years of lies if not more!
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Old 07-14-13, 01:55 PM
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Please...he drops everyone and almost beats Martin at his own game...lol @ "special performances".
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I'll just refer you to this. http://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/s...73#post2061073

No way he's clean.
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I have heard two theories that would allow for him being clean.

1) He is a cyborg. The adherents of this theory refer to the team as Skyborg.

2) He is an alien human hybrid. He does look like this could be the case. So pale, so thin. He may be part Grey and part Human
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Originally Posted by Beaker View Post
I was certainly a little skeptical of the time that CF posted relative to historical fastest times up Ax3, but in the interests of keeping an open mind, I listened to this fascinating podcast with Michael Creed who has an interesting take on the team Sky situation. Be warned, if you don't like hearing profanity then best not click the link....

http://events.cyclismas.podomatic.co...13_05_45-07_00

Forgot to post the other side of this - this appeals to my scientific side http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness...rformance.html
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And now he's up up the 2nd fastest time on Ventoux, 2nd to a doped up Lance? Anyone still believe he's clean?
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I was away during the weekend but could saw the Ventoux replay last night, just the last 12 km.
I don't know what the guy is on but it was darn impressive. The way he lost the others was through a few sudden accelerations, like sprints during an interval workout.
9% slopes where like a pancake flat road for common mortals.
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Well, I'm clean and he beat my time up Ventoux by 80 minutes so.......
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I thought it was interesting that he just spun the cranks faster to attack, rather than shift up and stand like normal. I have found that works for me as well, although I don't do it all the time. The pros climbing cadences have increased markedly in the last decade... 10 years ago only a few pros were spinning up climbs, now lots of them do it.

An interesting article about his training specifically for that kind of attack: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...tour-de-france
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Let's be very clear here. No one, and I mean NO ONE knows with any kind of credible certainty whether Froome is doping or not, except CF himself. Anyone claiming to be "certain" either way is a fool.

Given the whole sport's recent history, I think it'd be equally foolish not to at least wonder, but I have heard some pretty rash statements made in "Professional Cycling for Fans" forum about CF & company that are completely unsupportable, and that's a shame.

This is, as has already been pointed out, pro sports, i.e., entertainment. Sit back, enjoy the show. If the performer's drug status is of interest to you, I'd suggest waiting until there's real evidence (not just anecdotal performance comparisons) before wishing ill fortune upon anyone for something that, in the final analysis, has absolutely no bearing on your own personal participation in the sport.
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So in a sport rife with doping for decade after decade we're supposed to believe that along comes a rider that puts up power numbers comparable to some of the biggest cheats the sport has ever seen and that this particular rider did it all clean? LOL.
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He's a light strong even tempo cardio machine in back of Porte. Everything points to high cadence efficiency, weight management, VO2 management. Sub 68 kilos. A little too much body motion up high for my taste. Until proven otherwise (highly unlikely) he's clean. IMHO. The anti-Froome blather is hilarious albeit entertaining.
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Let's be very clear here. No one, and I mean NO ONE knows with any kind of credible certainty whether Froome is doping or not, except CF himself. Anyone claiming to be "certain" either way is a fool.
I'd wager that not even Chris Froome knows if he's doping or not. Given advances in modern training routines especially regarding supplements, treatments, etc, you'd need an advanced degree to tell what's doping and what isn't. To a large extent an athlete has to trust the advice of his trainers, unless you're on a strict no supplement training plan (which I highly doubt). The only thing he could know for certain is if he IS doping. Proving the negative this day in age is virtually impossible.
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So in a sport rife with doping for decade after decade we're supposed to believe that along comes a rider that puts up power numbers comparable to some of the biggest cheats the sport has ever seen and that this particular rider did it all clean? LOL.
What you choose to believe is entirely your choice and your right. Just don't mistake it for fact.
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