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Old 08-15-15, 06:48 PM
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Skinny Tires on John Wayne Trail?

I'm thinking about riding a road bike with 25s over Snoqualmie Pass and looks like the John Wayne Trail is the best way. I see it's packed gravel; anyone ridden on it lately and do you think 25s would work?
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Old 08-16-15, 11:10 AM
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I rode it a couple months ago on a CX bike with 700x28 tires.

If your 25s are really lightweight tires you will have a good chance of flatting. With a heavier tire you will probably be OK.

It's a pretty rough ride so be prepared.
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Old 08-16-15, 11:19 AM
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Old 08-16-15, 05:40 PM
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FWIW, you don't need to take the trail the whole way, just the section from Hyak to Stampede Pass is mandatory.

Out of North Bend, ride on I-90 to Homestead Valley Rd. (exit 38). Exit, turn right and ride this road until you have to get back on I-90.

Riding on I-90 is not a big deal. The shoulder is wide and you'll soon get used to the noise.

Exit I-90 again at Tinkham Rd., turn rght and ride Tinkham Rd. It's dirt but hard packed dirt and aside from dodging potholes it's fine to ride.

Eventually you'll come to a paved road that crosses I-90, go across and turn right to follow the road up to the top of the Pass (takes you past Denny Creek and Franklin Falls). This is a nicely paved road and a pleasant ride.

At the pass, follow SR906 down the eastside to the Iron Horse Hyak trailhead. Here you have to get on the trail.

If you tire of the trail, you can exit at Stampede Pass Rd. and ride back down to I-90 where you can get back on the freeway to Easton or Nelson Siding Rd. Just depends on how much trail you want on a road bike with skinny tires.

Good luck, it's a fun ride.
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Old 08-16-15, 11:19 PM
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I rode 700x32s all the way to Easton from Rattle Snake. I checked it out at the Cle Elum entrance and I wouldn't try it heading east beyond that point. Gravel really gets loose.
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Thanks for the info. I guess I'm going to go for it. Going to stay on I90 as much as I can as I'm trying to get to the other side of the state as quickly as possible.
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Old 08-17-15, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Btflmutant View Post
Thanks for the info. I guess I'm going to go for it. Going to stay on I90 as much as I can as I'm trying to get to the other side of the state as quickly as possible.
Yeah, you'll be fine riding to the summit and then on the Iron Horse to Easton where you can rejoin 90 again. FYI, the gravel is much looser as you leave Hyak heading east and wrap around the lake but then returns to a more finer crush.
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Old 08-17-15, 10:55 AM
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You have to catch the trail at Hyak anyway as there is a detour -- as you probably know. You have to ride it between Hyak and Easton (or at least around the construction zone)
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Originally Posted by woodway View Post
Eventually you'll come to a paved road that crosses I-90, go across and turn right to follow the road up to the top of the Pass (takes you past Denny Creek and Franklin Falls). This is a nicely paved road and a pleasant ride.
Forest Service Road 58. Agree about it being pleasant.

There's no way I would try riding the gravel sections of the Iron Horse on 25s. I think it's dirt from the point you're talking about and you might be ok at low speeds and being careful through turns?
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Originally Posted by toddles View Post
You have to catch the trail at Hyak anyway as there is a detour -- as you probably know. You have to ride it between Hyak and Easton (or at least around the construction zone)
You don't actually have to go all the way to Easton on the Iron Horse Trail...you can get off at Stampede Pass Rd. and head back down to I-90.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
There's no way I would try riding the gravel sections of the Iron Horse on 25s.
I think Forrest is correct. If they were 28s I'd say just be moving fast and you'd be ok. 25s? Trouble.
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I would say if you have heavy 25s (Gatorskins, etc.) you'll be fine. I rode it on 28 Gatorskins which are not that much wider than 25s. It's going to be a very uncomfortable ride, however. That trail is rough on a fully rigid bike with high pressure tires.
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I'd like to ride this weekend from Easton west to the Seattle area on the trail. I've got a touring bike with panniers and 37-622 Conti Top Touring tires. Is the gravel that bad or deep to make me jump on I-90? I wasn't aware of the other route woodway mentioned, but I like it because of my getting freaked-out about tunnels (a bit claustro). Weather looks good so far. Is drinking water hard to come by between Easton and the top of the pass?
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Well, I did it today. Doable with 25s but I certainly wouldn't recommend them. New gravel most of the way kept my speed under 8 mph and I did get one gnarly gash in my rear tire which required a boot. I would recommend 32s at least.
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Originally Posted by hodadmike View Post
I'd like to ride this weekend from Easton west to the Seattle area on the trail. I've got a touring bike with panniers and 37-622 Conti Top Touring tires. Is the gravel that bad or deep to make me jump on I-90? I wasn't aware of the other route woodway mentioned, but I like it because of my getting freaked-out about tunnels (a bit claustro). Weather looks good so far. Is drinking water hard to come by between Easton and the top of the pass?
The gravel is not really deep, it's just very loose and very rough. On any kind of fully rigid bike it's going to be very uncomfortable.

Outside of the State Park at Easton I don't know of any water source until you get to the Pass. You could filter water I suppose. But it's really not that far, just bring an extra bottle or two with you.


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Well, I did it today. Doable with 25s but I certainly wouldn't recommend them. New gravel most of the way kept my speed under 8 mph and I did get one gnarly gash in my rear tire which required a boot. I would recommend 32s at least.
Congrats on making it!
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Old 08-27-15, 08:54 PM
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The section between Stampede Pass Rd. and the tunnel was loose gravel and a little tricky with my 37's; it kept me paying attention to the trail. I talked to a parks employee driving a truck along the trail and he said the gravel was recently laid down and rolled, but without fine material and the lack of moisture, it wasn't packing down very well. The tunnel was cool and damp with occasional ground water dripping off the ceiling, but I kept focused and moving. The trail is packed solid on the west side and I had no problem cruising along, a couple times I noticed 17-18 mph. I camped at Cedar Falls (I don't think it was officially a camping park). No water there but I had 3 bottles on the bike so it was fine, and they had pit toilets. Rode a Google Bike route from North Bend to Vashon Island along the I-90 corridor. Most of it as great but there are some grungy places in the south Seattle industrial area. Vashon is wicked hilly and tough to find a place to camp. Stealth campsite was found, gas station breakfast burrito eaten, the 8:30AM ferry to Pt. Defiance boarded, and a waterfront ride to Fife wrapped up my 48 hour.
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