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Old 12-20-17, 03:20 PM
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Bike detours around derailed Amtrak train

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Old 12-21-17, 02:01 PM
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A friend said under many layers of tagging graffiti, on that overpass, is one of his from when he was a kid.
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Old 12-21-17, 02:47 PM
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Oh, pretty scary crash.

How are cars getting through? Have they routed southbound cars onto the northbound freeway yet?

Is this where the wreck occurred?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Le...4d-118.3878037

It looks like there are some alternative routes, but I could imagine what it is like getting freeway traffic onto secondary roads. Probably like the Eclipse traffic I battled earlier this year.

What is the freeway like?

Perhaps one could take the freeway cutoff just east of the tracks. Cut onto the northbound lane. Salmon for 1/2 mile, then walk back to the southbound freeway when clear.

Nothing like a bicycle "Taking 5 lanes" on a freeway

I'd imagine pretty quickly they'll route the southbound freeway traffic onto the northbound freeway. That will help alleviate the traffic on the secondary roads, but may be the end of road shoulders near the accident site. Or, have they repaired the freeway, and made the bridge safe?

Are trains getting through?
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Old 12-22-17, 10:43 PM
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I-5 South was closed for several days. Traffic made huge detours onto side roads. 15-mile backups ensued. Southbound traffic was not re-routed to share I-5 North. I suspect that the logistics of that were too difficult.

I-5 South is open now. Train cars were put into trailers and taken to Joint Base Lewis-McCord for examination. They brought a special low-boy trailer in (that had to be reinforced) and put the engine onto it.

Trains are taking the old route for the foreseeable future.
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Originally Posted by woodway View Post
I-5 South was closed for several days. Traffic made huge detours onto side roads. 15-mile backups ensued. Southbound traffic was not re-routed to share I-5 North. I suspect that the logistics of that were too difficult.

I-5 South is open now. Train cars were put into trailers and taken to Joint Base Lewis-McCord for examination. They brought a special low-boy trailer in (that had to be reinforced) and put the engine onto it.

Trains are taking the old route for the foreseeable future.
Thanks for the update.

Ahh, so this was a new route that the Amtrack Engineers apparently flunked their training course. Or the construction engineers failed in building a safe design.
Tacoma Rail engineers trained their Amtrak counterparts before Monday?s derailment | KIRO-TV

Only 15 miles backup on the freeway? That is like normal traffic in Portland every day.

I suppose after freeway construction projects, they always tear up the crossovers, and the emergency vehicle crossovers wouldn't be used for access.

My guess they discussed rerouting the freeway, but decided people could endure a week of detours. It probably would have taken at least half that time to get crossovers made and jersey barriers put in place.

It is hard to tell the extent of the damage to the bridge, but perhaps it will be repaired without further shutting down the freeway (during the day).
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Probably like the Eclipse traffic I battled earlier this year.

Lol, I did a 50 miler to oly that day. Going up hill on the freeway I was passing cars.

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I hate this route. Welcome to clone houses and cul de sac hell. The freeway south bound is so much better. You never actually get on the freeway it's just an on ramp blending into an off ramp.

From I5 exit into DuPont. Travel west from Center Drive on McNeil St. (multiuse sidepath/sidewalk available). Turn left on Hoffman Hill Blvd. (sidewalk available) and be prepared for a climb. Continue on Hoffman Hill Blvd. past the “No Outlet” sign, which applies only to drivers; cross Swan Loop Road, continue onto the multi-use path and pass through the pedestrian gate to Mounts Rd. SW. Go left and follow Mounts Road (narrow road, no shoulder for a stretch). After it crosses I-5 and becomes Nisqually Rd SW (Old Pacific Hwy SE) the road has a shoulder. Stay on Nisqually to SR510.

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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
A friend said under many layers of tagging graffiti, on that overpass, is one of his from when he was a kid.
If it had been football season there would have been something obscene about the Ducks on top (or the Huskies if UO kids got there last)
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
TMy guess they discussed rerouting the freeway, but decided people could endure a week of detours. It probably would have taken at least half that time to get crossovers made and jersey barriers put in place.
Apparently they considered a more gradual turn for the tracks (and a new overpass) but decided against.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...tate-priority/
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I had wondered why they didn't choose to straighten the tracks when building the high speed rail. Thanks for the link.

Straightening the rail would mean either a new bridge over the freeway which would have to be very long due to the angles, or perhaps tunneling under the freeway (and likely raising the freeway slightly). That would mean making a deeper cut, but the bridge would only have to be 20 feet long, so likely much easier to engineer.

Curved bridge/tunnel?

It is pretty stupid to have dangerous curves on a high speed rail with manual speed control.

Automatic speed control might help prevent the above accident, but then it would be something they'd have to live with for a very long time.

Your article is interesting in that Washington's target 80 MPH train is pretty mediocre for high speed rails. But, I could imagine popularity of increasing the speed of the "Sounder", as well as the Tacoma/Portland line.

150 MPH from Vancouver BC to San Diego? Perhaps a pipe dream. That would still be a long trip, but if fast enough (and dependable and on-time), it could take a bite out of airline traffic. And there is no reason why one couldn't move fresh produce quicker too.
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Your article is interesting in that Washington's target 80 MPH train is pretty mediocre for high speed rails. But, I could imagine popularity of increasing the speed of the "Sounder", as well as the Tacoma/Portland line.
That's 80mph with the current dogleg (which is now out of use until positive train control comes online in the indefinite future); if they'd straightened it (new overpass, and a long one apparently, before and after the actual crossover) they could get up to 100mph which is still just the regular Amtrak speed (not Acela) on the Boston/DC corridor. (and Acela of course is only high speed for the US, not for developed countries).

If they could stretch the Sounder from Lakewood down to Olympia it would be so fantastic.
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But maybe not on SP right of way.. WA needs to ( tick off landowners) and use Eminent domain..

and build track not used by Freight., on a separate track ..
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