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Old 01-26-18, 01:57 PM
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Do you do group rides during the wet season on a road bike?

I finally bought my first road bike this past Sunday, but haven't ridden it yet because I have minimal experience riding a drop bar and none in the wet. Unfortunately wet is the only weather condition it's been since loading my bike in my car and the only weather outlook for the foreseeable future.

I heard about the Cascade group rides and see that they have free beginner rides with the stipulation of full fenders. I was wondering if anyone in the PNW does group rides on road bikes, and if so what fenders do you use?
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I've done my fair share of free Cascade group rides that have covered pretty much all recreational average speeds from 10-20+mph. Fenders are typically required to be longer in back with mudflap to prevent spray to people behind you, I've seen ride leaders ask those without long enough fenders to move to the back.

You can find decent ones from SKS, Planet Bike, PDW, etc. - easily removable/semi-permanent - a ton of brands sell them, a visit to your local REI will help you see what sort of features you really want/need, without the need to do hours of armchair searching. Even if you find fenders you like without a mudflap, you can find attachable mudflaps online.

Have fun and let us know if you have more specific questions, happy to help!
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You are in the big city There are none here at all, wet or summer months..
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Check C&V forum. Rides in Portland and Seattle have been held this winter. Sometimes on short notice for weather consideration.


The 2 I've ridden had 11 people on one (Dec) and only 2 people made January's wet-out. Both started at Marymoor Park for a ride around Lk Samamish.
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Originally Posted by yamsyamsyams View Post
I've done my fair share of free Cascade group rides that have covered pretty much all recreational average speeds from 10-20+mph. Fenders are typically required to be longer in back with mudflap to prevent spray to people behind you, I've seen ride leaders ask those without long enough fenders to move to the back.

You can find decent ones from SKS, Planet Bike, PDW, etc. - easily removable/semi-permanent - a ton of brands sell them, a visit to your local REI will help you see what sort of features you really want/need, without the need to do hours of armchair searching. Even if you find fenders you like without a mudflap, you can find attachable mudflaps online.

Have fun and let us know if you have more specific questions, happy to help!
Thanks, I believe my bike has hidden fender mounts in the rear so that makes it easier. The front has very little clearance since I put in 28mm Conti GP4000IIs that I've read are even wider, so in order to not get splashed I'll definitely get to a brick and mortar to check out removable options. I was antsy earlier today and went out for the first time since I brought my bike home, and of course felt a splash down my back as I absentmindedly went over a big puddle.

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Check C&V forum. Rides in Portland and Seattle have been held this winter. Sometimes on short notice for weather consideration.


The 2 I've ridden had 11 people on one (Dec) and only 2 people made January's wet-out. Both started at Marymoor Park for a ride around Lk Samamish.
Can't blame people given our awful January. I don't have any bikes more than three years old, would that be welcome or weird?
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The Chilly Hilly is coming up. If you live in Seattle, you should do that ride at least once.

When I did it (years ago) I think about half the bikes had fenders.
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Definitely do Chilly Hilly. It is a fabulous ride.

As for fenders, if you have little space between the front tire and the fork, you can split the fender and attach it in front of the fork _and_ behind it. It is pretty easy, particularly if you have a pop rivet tool. Do make the effort to do this, because in Seattle, if you don’t ride in the rain you don’t ride. And wet weather rides can be pretty enjoyable if you have decent gear.

What part of Seattle are you in, Surak?
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surak,

Even if your bike frame had no provision for mounting fenders, there are ways to "jury rig" something so you can enjoy riding in Seattle year around.

My winter/rain bike has no eyelets on the front fork or the rear dropouts for rigidly mounting fenders, but a local bike shop (sadly, no longer in business) made some fenders work for me, in spite of the "less-than-zero" clearance offered by my brakes (I cannot run 25cm width tires, only 23 or less.) They split the fender on either side of both brake calipers and made it work.

If one rides solo in the rain, the stock-length fenders are enough to keep the water off your back. If you do group rides, you need to add "buddy flaps" to the rear, to keep water off the rider behind you. That flap should be long enough to almost touch the cement. A front "buddy flap" will minimize the direct road spray to your own feet/body.

Just remember, there is no way that you will stay dry. You will get wet, but the goal is to stay warm and wet, not cold/hypothermic and wet. Road water constantly spraying your back due to no-fenders will chill you severely. Fenders plus WOOL base layer and WOOL socks (e.g. Woolie Boolie) will make your winter cycling so much more bearable!

I speak from experience. I do close pacelining, even in the most horrific of weather.

Best of luck to you!
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
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Cool, I'll try to keep an eye out, though I don't venture into C&V so I may forget. I don't suppose BF has a notifications system where you can get alerts for threads matching some search text?

Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
The Chilly Hilly is coming up. If you live in Seattle, you should do that ride at least once.

When I did it (years ago) I think about half the bikes had fenders.
I read about Chilly Hilly and it definitely is something I want to do. Not this year though because I haven't even put 10 miles on my new bike yet, so 22 or 33 hilly miles is a bit daunting.

I'm surprised people don't mind going without fenders. I didn't get dirty running over a puddle, but it felt gross!

Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
Definitely do Chilly Hilly. It is a fabulous ride.

As for fenders, if you have little space between the front tire and the fork, you can split the fender and attach it in front of the fork _and_ behind it. It is pretty easy, particularly if you have a pop rivet tool. Do make the effort to do this, because in Seattle, if you donít ride in the rain you donít ride. And wet weather rides can be pretty enjoyable if you have decent gear.

What part of Seattle are you in, Surak?
I'm trying to visualize what a split front fender setup would look like, can you point me to any examples? I might just drop back down to stock 25mm front tires to get a bit more clearance and have more fender options. Need to go into some shops first and see what's available.

Oh, and I'm in Ballard, not too far from the Burke-Gilman.

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surak,

Even if your bike frame had no provision for mounting fenders, there are ways to "jury rig" something so you can enjoy riding in Seattle year around.

My winter/rain bike has no eyelets on the front fork or the rear dropouts for rigidly mounting fenders, but a local bike shop (sadly, no longer in business) made some fenders work for me, in spite of the "less-than-zero" clearance offered by my brakes (I cannot run 25cm width tires, only 23 or less.) They split the fender on either side of both brake calipers and made it work.

If one rides solo in the rain, the stock-length fenders are enough to keep the water off your back. If you do group rides, you need to add "buddy flaps" to the rear, to keep water off the rider behind you. That flap should be long enough to almost touch the cement. A front "buddy flap" will minimize the direct road spray to your own feet/body.

Just remember, there is no way that you will stay dry. You will get wet, but the goal is to stay warm and wet, not cold/hypothermic and wet. Road water constantly spraying your back due to no-fenders will chill you severely. Fenders plus WOOL base layer and WOOL socks (e.g. Woolie Boolie) will make your winter cycling so much more bearable!

I speak from experience. I do close pacelining, even in the most horrific of weather.

Best of luck to you!
Thanks for the info! I wonder where they'd mount the front half on a disc-brake equipped bike. I'll just have to see if any nearby LBSes would know how to set up fenders for me. I've mounted fenders before on bikes with plenty of clearance and it's enough of a pain that I'm willing to pay a reasonable fee for someone else to do it for me now.
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I'm trying to visualize what a split front fender setup would look like, can you point me to any examples? I might just drop back down to stock 25mm front tires to get a bit more clearance and have more fender options. Need to go into some shops first and see what's available.

Oh, and I'm in Ballard, not too far from the Burke-Gilman.
Take a look at this thread for examples: Sneaking fenders under old rollercam brakes

There are other, similar threads if you search for ďsplit fender.Ē You should be able to find something that suggests how to make it work on your bike.

Iím out in the Wedgwood/Lake City Area. I lived in Ballardia once upon a time though!
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Speedy Reedy?
Velo Veloce (or was it Veloce Velo?) on Mercer Island.

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Disc brakes could make it easier in one respect without the caliper in the way of the top mounting point, could be a nightmare working around the caliper/disc at the hub... River city Bicycles sells a kit called the "Reacharound" purpose made brackets and hardware for spilt fender setup, a little unsightly but just the ticket and could be easily fabricated I think.

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Cool, I'll try to keep an eye out, though I don't venture into C&V so I may forget. I don't suppose BF has a notifications system where you can get alerts for threads matching some search text?



I read about Chilly Hilly and it definitely is something I want to do. Not this year though because I haven't even put 10 miles on my new bike yet, so 22 or 33 hilly miles is a bit daunting.

I'm surprised people don't mind going without fenders. I didn't get dirty running over a puddle, but it felt gross!



I'm trying to visualize what a split front fender setup would look like, can you point me to any examples? I might just drop back down to stock 25mm front tires to get a bit more clearance and have more fender options. Need to go into some shops first and see what's available.

Oh, and I'm in Ballard, not too far from the Burke-Gilman.



Thanks for the info! I wonder where they'd mount the front half on a disc-brake equipped bike. I'll just have to see if any nearby LBSes would know how to set up fenders for me. I've mounted fenders before on bikes with plenty of clearance and it's enough of a pain that I'm willing to pay a reasonable fee for someone else to do it for me now.
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Fenders like the Planet Bike Cascadia's come with a set of longer bolts and standoffs for mounting in conjunction with disc brakes. Won't help for split fender mounting however.
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Yep, all winter, group ride every Sunday unless it's icy. Fender-equipped tandem. I use tougher tires in winter than summer because the shoulders are almost never swept.

Cascade of course has free group rides every day. Seattle International Randonnuers has a winter training series starting the first week in January with a 34 miler and finishing with a century on Feb. 24 this year. Redmond Cycling Club has a few spring rides starting in February. There's also COGS - Cyclists of Greater Seattle. Plus shop rides.
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Most folks have their bike shop put the fenders on. Fitting them first time is usually a PITA and may take tools. They'll pick a fender set that'll work with your bike.

I've had good luck with SKS fenders. Plastic fenders have lasted longer for me than aluminum.

For getting to know the area and your bike, solo rides are good. Have a look at the Strava Heat Map: https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#9.2....47954/hot/all
to see where people ride. The Burke Gilman trail goes from Seattle to Redmond over the top of Lake Washington. Flat. The Centennial Trail goes from Snohomish to Arlington. Not flat but gentle hills and less traffic than the Burke Gilman. There are many good rides starting in Redmond.

Join RidewithGPS and learn to use it. You can search RWGPS for all sorts of rides.
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