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Old 07-17-15, 11:04 PM
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Le Tour Neglects to Cross Millau Viaduct Bridge

2015 Tour de France went through the Massif Central region & crossed the Tarne River. Why not cross the spectacular Viaduc de Millau bridge? The bridge is an engineering marvel & quite a tourism attraction in itself. But Tour de France broadcasts focus only on historical sites to create an old-fashioned image.

Viaduc de Millau is world's "highest bridge" (mast height) though only 12th highest bridge deck. Built to alleviate heavy truck/vacation traffic clogging Millau/Tarne Valley. Cyclists prohibited but Tour de France could have got special permission. Millau bridge is very high but includes safety features including a shoulder + 2 sets of railings & a narrow sidewalk. Many big US bridges have poor safety features & short side barriers allow cars (let alone trucks) to jump overboard. Millau bridge would actually work nicely for cyclists except for the high 110 kph speed limit.

Tour de France crossing the bridge would be an excellent tourism advertisement--it's an amazing & audacious bit of architecture.




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Although they didn't ride over it, they did show it on the broadcast, and your right, it is quite spectacular!

Maybe they are worried about the winds on that bridge, especially during stormy days, hence the ban on cycling?
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I saw that bridge on the broadcast this morning.

My 1st thought was "cool!"

My 2nd thought was "why the hell didn't they just save money build an old fashioned road?"...especially when crossing said bridge is $5USD.

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Although they didn't ride over it, they did show it on the broadcast, and your right, it is quite spectacular!

Maybe they are worried about the winds on that bridge, especially during stormy days, hence the ban on cycling?
The whole point of spending 400million Euro on the damn thing in the first place was Paris-Spain traffic congestion during high summer...closing the bridge all day for a bike race is pretty much antithetical to the original premise of the entire project.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I saw that bridge on the broadcast this morning.

My 1st thought was "cool!"

My 2nd thought was "why the hell didn't they just save money build an old fashioned road?"...especially when crossing said bridge is $5USD.
You've never crossed a bridge in NYC, have you? $5 is a bargain!



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The whole point of spending 400million Euro on the damn thing in the first place was Paris-Spain traffic congestion during high summer...closing the bridge all day for a bike race is pretty much antithetical to the original premise of the entire project.
We close major bridges and choke the life out of our residents in NYC all the time. Like the Verrazano Narrows Bridge every year so 45,000 idiots can say, "I ran the NYC marathon" even though it takes most of them about 7or 8 hrs. Yeah, your a runner, be proud. Or the 5 Borough Bike Tour, where they shut down numerous bridges and highways, making it a great day to stay home, so people can ride their K Mart bikes around NYC. The trick that France should learn, is not caring about the population that resides there whose lives are completely turned upside down by such events...
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
We close major bridges and choke the life out of our residents in NYC all the time. Like the Verrazano Narrows Bridge every year so 45,000 idiots can say, "I ran the NYC marathon" even though it takes most of them about 7or 8 hrs. Yeah, your a runner, be proud. Or the 5 Borough Bike Tour, where they shut down numerous bridges and highways, making it a great day to stay home, so people can ride their K Mart bikes around NYC. The trick that France should learn, is not caring about the population that resides there whose lives are completely turned upside down by such events...
Thank goodness for the internet. Before it came along, you had to actually stop people on the street to tell them they were doing something incorrectly.
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You've never crossed a bridge in NYC, have you? $5 is a bargain!
I suppose I'm spoiled by roads that are paid for by my taxes...not having an excess usage fee on top of my taxes that pay for said roads.

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We close major bridges and choke the life out of our residents in NYC all the time. Like the Verrazano Narrows Bridge every year so 45,000 idiots can say, "I ran the NYC marathon" even though it takes most of them about 7or 8 hrs. Yeah, your a runner, be proud. Or the 5 Borough Bike Tour, where they shut down numerous bridges and highways, making it a great day to stay home, so people can ride their K Mart bikes around NYC. The trick that France should learn, is not caring about the population that resides there whose lives are completely turned upside down by such events...

Yea well, the French are socialists. Further you're used to NYC, where you can sit in a car and only go 6 blocks in 4 hours.
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I suppose I'm spoiled by roads that are paid for by my taxes...not having an excess usage fee on top of my taxes that pay for said roads.
Would you believe, about 80% of the tolls for these bridges goes to the NYC subway system!? I guess that's why there are potholes on the toll plaza, instead of personal valets to greet you with a glass of champagne!




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Yea well, the French are socialists. Further you're used to NYC, where you can sit in a car and only go 6 blocks in 4 hours.
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Yea well, the French are socialists. Further you're used to NYC, where you can sit in a car and only go 6 blocks in 4 hours.
You think they don't have traffic jams in Paris?
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You think they don't have traffic jams in Paris?
I don't get why anyone would willingly drive inside of Paris...Cheaper, faster and easier to walk or metro it. Not that that stops people, ofc.

Shoot, a Paris 5-zone metro pass can get you from the Louvre all the way out to Versailles in an hour.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I don't get why anyone would willingly drive inside of Paris...Cheaper, faster and easier to walk or metro it. Not that that stops people, ofc.

Shoot, a Paris 5-zone metro pass can get you from the Louvre all the way out to Versailles in an hour.
I can't see why anyone would drive in NYC either, for much the same reasons, plus cheap taxis.
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I can't see why anyone would drive in NYC either, for much the same reasons, plus cheap taxis.
Because, like the rest of America, we love cars to.

Sometimes, you just don't want to wait on a hot platform for a crowded subway or get in a cab with a non English speaking driver.
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Because, like the rest of America, we love cars to.

Sometimes, you just don't want to wait on a hot platform for a crowded subway or get in a cab with a non English speaking driver.
In which case you trade a crammed subway platform for a cramped car, bumper-to-bumper stop-and-go traffic, and the sounds of honking for hours to go a few miles.

Doesn't really sound like a win to me.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
In which case you trade a crammed subway platform for a cramped car, bumper-to-bumper stop-and-go traffic, and the sounds of honking for hours to go a few miles.

Doesn't really sound like a win to me.
Just have to know your way around.

It's not always terrible...
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Because, like the rest of America, we love cars to.

Sometimes, you just don't want to wait on a hot platform for a crowded subway or get in a cab with a non English speaking driver.
If only there were an affordable form of transport small enough to maneuvre through traffic jams, light enough to bring inside your apartment, that would allow you to travel typical NYC distances with less effort than walking. I really can't think of what that option might be, though.
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Nice helicopter shots of it today, also of the Tarn Gorge.
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
Although they didn't ride over it, they did show it on the broadcast, and your right, it is quite spectacular!

Maybe they are worried about the winds on that bridge, especially during stormy days, hence the ban on cycling?
I suppose wind would be part of the problem, say if a gust pushes a truck towards a cyclist riding on the shoulder. & after all, cyclists have the alternative there of riding the regular 'old' road. What's most irritating are bridges w/o a reasonable alternative route that prohibit cyclists/pedestrians. I'm sure we're all familiar with some examples. BTW a few years the DC area got a new Interstate bridge over the Potomac River with a fancy "bike path" on the side. Bike path is very wide & I realized the primary intent was to have an space for emergency vehicles as the road is frequently gridlocked with car traffic. But I'm not complaining. There's even a little park on one end where the 'bike path' crosses over the bridge.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I don't get why anyone would willingly drive inside of Paris...Cheaper, faster and easier to walk or metro it. Not that that stops people, ofc.

Shoot, a Paris 5-zone metro pass can get you from the Louvre all the way out to Versailles in an hour.
Visited Paris a long time ago on a car trip; lots of traffic esp in rush hour it's true. But the traffic seems to move along pretty well most times. Despite the old-time image of a French guy riding a bike around with a baguette & wine in the basket, the streets seemed a bit scary for cycling. Lanes are often narrow & drivers zoom off instantly at green lights. But I understand that Paris is making some efforts to make cycling a bit more pleasant there. Car parking is a nightmare there. Once saw a guy trying to wedge his BMW into a tiny spot, I could practically see the cartoon sweat drops flying off his forehead.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I don't get why anyone would willingly drive inside of Paris...Cheaper, faster and easier to walk or metro it. Not that that stops people, ofc.

Shoot, a Paris 5-zone metro pass can get you from the Louvre all the way out to Versailles in an hour.
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Just did a bunch of that. A 3 day Metro Pass and the city is yours to explore.
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That beautiful bridge is a freeway and its access is limited "et bien sûr" bicycles do not ride on freeways. As for the traffic in Paris it has always been nightmarish and that is why "Vélib" is so popular!

Adding that the new Bay Bridge between San Francisco and Oakland took nearly 15 years to build and 7 Billions of Dollars while the Millau bridge took 3 years by 3 countries and only 500 million Dollars!

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Visited Paris a long time ago on a car trip; lots of traffic esp in rush hour it's true. But the traffic seems to move along pretty well most times. Despite the old-time image of a French guy riding a bike around with a baguette & wine in the basket, the streets seemed a bit scary for cycling. Lanes are often narrow & drivers zoom off instantly at green lights. But I understand that Paris is making some efforts to make cycling a bit more pleasant there. Car parking is a nightmare there. Once saw a guy trying to wedge his BMW into a tiny spot, I could practically see the cartoon sweat drops flying off his forehead.
It's all about the scooters. As for parking, most places are like that, the gigantic spaces in the US really do spoil us. Good reason to own smaller cars.
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Originally Posted by Giacomo 1 View Post
You've never crossed a bridge in NYC, have you? $5 is a bargain!





We close major bridges and choke the life out of our residents in NYC all the time. Like the Verrazano Narrows Bridge every year so 45,000 idiots can say, "I ran the NYC marathon" even though it takes most of them about 7or 8 hrs. Yeah, your a runner, be proud. Or the 5 Borough Bike Tour, where they shut down numerous bridges and highways, making it a great day to stay home, so people can ride their K Mart bikes around NYC. The trick that France should learn, is not caring about the population that resides there whose lives are completely turned upside down by such events...
What purpose is served by your disparaging reference to "K Mart bikes", and I presume, to the people who ride them. There is a place for everything ..... except elitist attitudes.
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Visited Paris a long time ago on a car trip; lots of traffic esp in rush hour it's true. But the traffic seems to move along pretty well most times. Despite the old-time image of a French guy riding a bike around with a baguette & wine in the basket, the streets seemed a bit scary for cycling. Lanes are often narrow & drivers zoom off instantly at green lights. But I understand that Paris is making some efforts to make cycling a bit more pleasant there. Car parking is a nightmare there. Once saw a guy trying to wedge his BMW into a tiny spot, I could practically see the cartoon sweat drops flying off his forehead.
Yes, Paris is a nightmare for cyclists ... and pedestrians as well. I saw very few cyclists when I was there last summer. Now Munich, on the other hand, was a cyclist's dream.
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Car parking is a nightmare there. Once saw a guy trying to wedge his BMW into a tiny spot, I could practically see the cartoon sweat drops flying off his forehead.
Parisians believe in using their bumpers (fenders) when parking. They will reverse into gaps until they hit the car behind, then do the same going forwards. It works well in a city that wasn't built with cars in mind!
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What purpose is served by your disparaging reference to "K Mart bikes", and I presume, to the people who ride them. There is a place for everything ..... except elitist attitudes.
Ouch!

My comments were meant to be funny, you know, tongue I cheek, hence the emoticon at the end? Sorry you found my remarks to be elitist.

Please Talldog, feel free to ride your K-Mart bike all over Ontario! <<<<emoticon! emoticon!<<<<
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