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Old 08-05-16, 06:33 AM
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Lizzie Armistead decision

Not one post - or have I missed it?

I like Lizzie and what she's done for the women's side of the sport.


But I have to say the CAS decision brings us right back to the dark days of cycling. Rules are rules. A hundred plus other women followed them without an issue, most without a single missed test.


Sorry Lizzie - where there is smoke there is fire as Lance proved so well. The sport decided to be ultra clean and that is a test you failed.

Like Kournikova she should be out on suspension ....
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Old 08-05-16, 10:56 AM
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I agree, lux, not a good thing, not good visuals here to a justifiably skeptical world. Bobke TV had this to say about it, pretty much saying why does she get 4 chances when others get 3? in particular when the 3 chance idea was to make it more fair since stuff happens and sometimes mistakes are legitimate.
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Old 08-05-16, 03:26 PM
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Obviously, being English, I'm naturally biased. However, She was cleared in the first case as the UKAD tester didn't make sufficient effort to locate her - she was where she was supposed to be, but the hotel staff didn't co-operate with the tester. So she hasn't missed 3 tests, but two. The second miss was not, in fact, a missed test, but was a check that the filing record was being followed.

The following is a quote from the Guardian article: "Armitstead was cleared by the Cas on 21 July of an alleged “whereabouts failure” on 20 August last year. She had two further strikes against her, on 5 October 2015 and 9 June 2016, the former a filing mismatch on the Anti-Doping and Administration System, the latter the result of Armitstead not updating her whereabouts through Adams** having had an emergency change of plan owing to a serious illness in her family. UK Anti-Doping rules state three strikes in 12 months amount to an anti-doping violation, so Armitstead was charged under their rules on 11 July, before being cleared of the August infringement on the grounds that the Ukad anti-doping officer had not followed required procedures nor made reasonable attempts to locate the rider. That meant she was free to compete in the Olympics. The story first emerged on Monday and has dominated the buildup to Sunday’s race."
(**No idea who Adams is or whether or not it's one of the Guardian's famous misprints.)


I don't claim any personal knowledge of Armitstead even tho' I live only a few miles from her home town


Link to article https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-rio-road-race
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One missed test was a month before the worlds and another a month after the worlds. Coincidence? Every one that gets caught has a dog ate my homework excuse.

So after missing the first test, why didn't she protest then? After the second, still no protest. Only after the third does she protest.

By the way, what has she done for women's cycling besides win races? If not her then it would be someone else. Let's not assign some greater good to crossing the finish line first.
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Old 08-06-16, 03:37 AM
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From her own written statement, it seems after the first she appealed to UKAD, who sent the tester, and they said no dice. It was only after the 3rd strike that she appealed to the CAS.

For the 2nd, a tester hadn't even been sent to her, but UKAD basically found out she had made a mistake on her overnight location on the ADAMS system so gave her a strike for that.

The 3rd, well we can take the "family health problems" at face value or not, but as much as we've all heard the "sick granny" excuse, we've all had a sick granny too, and dropped everything to be there.

It's not a good look, and you'd expect a pro athlete to be more careful about these things. It'll only really be a big problem if she comes away from Rio with a medal.
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Communication breakdowns are a bit lame, in the modern era. Queuing outside a phone box and sending a handwritten postcard, are things of the past. I'm fairly sure Lizzie has a smartphone and knows how to use it.


She should have been sanctioned severely, I'm afraid. Her team management(s) and sponsors must have been furious......
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
Communication breakdowns are a bit lame, in the modern era. Queuing outside a phone box and sending a handwritten postcard, are things of the past. I'm fairly sure Lizzie has a smartphone and knows how to use it.

She should have been sanctioned severely, I'm afraid. Her team management(s) and sponsors must have been furious......
Please try reading the findings: She did not miss the first test. The CAS found that the tester made insufficient effort to contact her. She raised it with UKAD but they dismissed her claim (Rules of natural justice - no man may be a judge in his own case), but CAS found against them.

She has held her hand up for the other two times. Sanctions only take place after missing 3 tests or failing whereabouts checks Perhaps you can explain why the sport should ignore its own rules to sanction her severely when she had not passed the bar for such sanctions.
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...tead-no-excuse


Excuse me for preferring this guy's take to yours.......


I've been hearing this BS from riders for 40 years, supported by their hometown apologists. The forum became intolerable, in the wake of Armstrong's unmasking, for example. Riders don't just have to be clean, they have to extinguish all doubt, in the modern era. The best thing I can say about Lizzie is that she has been unprofessional- 'slack', as you say, in Leeds.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...tead-no-excuse

Excuse me for preferring this guy's take to yours.......

I've been hearing this BS from riders for 40 years, supported by their hometown apologists. The forum became intolerable, in the wake of Armstrong's unmasking, for example. Riders don't just have to be clean, they have to extinguish all doubt, in the modern era. The best thing I can say about Lizzie is that she has been unprofessional- 'slack', as you say, in Leeds.
I may have given the impression that I didn't think that she was entirely to blame for the two occasions that CAS found against her, because I do. What I've tried to do is avoid Wiggo's sloppy language of "three failed tests". She failed to be where she should have been on two occasions and for not informing the relevant authorities of changes in her timetable she should be held to account.

I entirely accept your point that riders "have to extinguish all doubt" and any future failure on her part, with 2 proven strikes against her, should be met with the relevant punishment.
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do the strikes stay on a rider's record or do they age off after some period of time?
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Old 09-12-16, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dbf73 View Post
do the strikes stay on a rider's record or do they age off after some period of time?
Good question - I'm guilty of assumption, I'm afraid.
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