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Old 12-13-17, 05:24 AM
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Christopher Froome was notified of an Adverse Analytical Finding

UCI statement on Christopher Froome
The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) confirms that British rider Christopher Froome was notified of an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) of Salbutamol in excess of 1000ng/ml (*) in a sample collected during the Vuelta a España on 7 September 2017. The rider was notified of the AAF on 20 September 2017.

The anti-doping control was planned and carried out by the Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation (CADF), the independent body mandated by the UCI, in charge of defining and implementing the anti-doping strategy in cycling.

The analysis of the B sample has confirmed the results of the rider’s A sample and the proceedings are being conducted in line with the UCI Anti-Doping Rules.
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Chris Froome returns adverse analytical finding for Salbutamol | Cyclingnews.com

What I find strange here is if he was going to really dope, why not at the Tour? The race that really matters.

He has asthma, that is documented. Apparently it was bad at the end of the Vuelta and he was advised to up the dosage. He also claims the dosage increase would have kept him under the myriad of regulations imposed by UCI.
I guess there is more to come.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Chris Froome returns adverse analytical finding for Salbutamol | Cyclingnews.com

What I find strange here is if he was going to really dope, why not at the Tour? The race that really matters.
The race that matters til you get caught then your name gets erased from the books.....well, for some.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
The race that matters til you get caught then your name gets erased from the books.....well, for some.
and not for others...I guess it's who you know, eh?

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Probably faced the choice of losing the Vuelta or pushing the limits of doping, hoping to get past control. Maybe had gotten away with it in the past and got caught this time. I find it amazing that so many of the top grand tour riders suffer from asthma, can you imagine how good they would be without this handicap?
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Apparently Nibali also suffers from asthma and on this particular day said the rain kept the pollen down and that anti asthma medication wasn't needed.
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Q:What do Evans, Sastre and Nibali have in common?

A:They are the only TdF winners in the last 26 years with no record of PED used (inc TUEs).

You really can't win the TdF without drugs - more than 10% of the time.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
What I find strange here is if he was going to really dope, why not at the Tour?
What's your basis for saying he didn't dope at the Tour? That he never tested positive? Hah.
Best explanation I've seen is https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017...roomes-doping/
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
He has asthma, that is documented.
As that article at https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017...roomes-doping/ points out ... it is not documented. It is claimed, and a recent claim.

If he has been suffering badly from asthma all his life (speaking as one who has suffered from asthma all his life) there should be no problem providing medical records showing diagnosis and treatment, records from his various schools where it was explained that h would be using a drug inhaler but was competent to do so, perhaps a hospital visit or two for a particularly bad attack?

When 40 percent of the peloton comes down with asthma is the space of three years, and suddenly a lot of other athletes are discovering that they had always been asthmatic and never knew it (and somehow reached the highest level of sport without being hindered by it----but Now need potent and frequent medication) .... well, I have to wonder what might explain all that.

I said elsewhere and say here---if Chris Froome cannot show identical salbutamol concentrations in his urine after three controlled tests administered by uninterested third parties and observed by Team Sky, CAS and UCI officials---and videotaped---then he needs a suspension and to lose his Vuelta win.
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Does anyone else think this was going to be swept under the rug if it hadn't been for the leak? Maybe had to do with the change at the top...
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
As that article at https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017...roomes-doping/ points out ... it is not documented. It is claimed, and a recent claim.

When 40 percent of the peloton comes down with asthma is the space of three years, and suddenly a lot of other athletes are discovering that they had always been asthmatic and never knew it (and somehow reached the highest level of sport without being hindered by it----but Now need potent and frequent medication) .... well, I have to wonder what might explain all that.

Well, I will admit that I was around 45 when a Dr finally diagnosed me with EIA. I'd been athletic and a long distance runner my whole life and always plenty fast. But I just thought it was normal to have to spit out mucus the whole time you ran, LOL! It's gotten worse the last two years on the bike. I've I'm going hard I actually start heaving a bit trying to get the thick mucus that is strangling me out of my lungs. So maybe a small percentage of them are legit. A very small percentage, LOL!
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
As that article at https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017...roomes-doping/ points out ... it is not documented. It is claimed, and a recent claim.

If he has been suffering badly from asthma all his life (speaking as one who has suffered from asthma all his life) there should be no problem providing medical records showing diagnosis and treatment, records from his various schools where it was explained that h would be using a drug inhaler but was competent to do so, perhaps a hospital visit or two for a particularly bad attack?

When 40 percent of the peloton comes down with asthma is the space of three years, and suddenly a lot of other athletes are discovering that they had always been asthmatic and never knew it (and somehow reached the highest level of sport without being hindered by it----but Now need potent and frequent medication) .... well, I have to wonder what might explain all that.

I said elsewhere and say here---if Chris Froome cannot show identical salbutamol concentrations in his urine after three controlled tests administered by uninterested third parties and observed by Team Sky, CAS and UCI officials---and videotaped---then he needs a suspension and to lose his Vuelta win.

A doctor would have had to certify he had asthma and it has to be a bit more than a note from your Mom (kidding). Which if you have asthma, which you say you do, you'd know.

When I was doing this we all needed amphetamines. Because of various ailments. But it was not nearly as sophisticated as it is today. Saddle sore...amphetamines. Head ache...sore knee...

There was a great article in the Wall Street Journal on Saturday about all this and how pro cycling is simply shooting itself, not in the foot, but in the head. Personally, if they need chemical help, let them. You'll enjoy watching the epic struggles.

But...I saw all kinds of stuff that went on back in the day...

it just cracks me up that he slid through the Tour just fine, but got hit in the Vuelta. A test is a test. Blood, pee, whatever.

Shrug.

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Originally Posted by asgelle
What's your basis for saying he didn't dope at the Tour? That he never tested positive? Hah.
Best explanation I've seen is https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2017...roomes-doping/

Good article. Indeed...and having lived in that world for a while, I don't disagree.

My comment was directed at the fact that they apparently did a better job managing this at the Tour than at the Vuelta.

Look...as Anquetil said once, you don't do this on soda crackers and Vichy water. My guess is that the most indignant people really don't fully grasp what it is to ride like this. Three weeks? Hell, I did five day races and it about kills you.
If you want to stop doping, shorten the races. The organizers want these guys to ride ridiculous routes and mileages and everyone is shocked when they need help to get out of bed and back on the bike.

Seriously...the races will be more fun to watch and I suppose people will still cheat but it will be less of an issue.

This article is spot on about steroids. Ride up four Alps at racing speed and see if you can move the next day.

At the end of the day, having some understanding of what is involved it does not bother me much that guys get some type of help. This stupid process will never end and if people think it will...LOL...you want exciting racing and epic battles? Or do you want them to look like a bunch of club riders out on a Sunday afternoon?

Enough ranting...it is a good article.
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Originally Posted by Doge
Q:What do Evans, Sastre and Nibali have in common?

A:They are the only TdF winners in the last 26 years with no record of PED used (inc TUEs).

You really can't win the TdF without drugs - more than 10% of the time.

Wait. they just didn't get caught. Isn't that the opinion of the masses?

Nibali...he is keeping up with dopers, rode for one of the all time doping teams, but isn't that the argument that was made for Armstrong? Lance isn't doping...it's talent!

Sastre? Hangs with and rides for Riis? CSC? He also rode for Saiz.

All I am doing here is pointing out the arguments that have been made on other riders. Seem to apply here too. I don't care if they did or didn't.



No need to defend your comment. Just tossing out a few thoughts.


Personally I think they all take something...when I raced we all took something. It's just that the somethings are a lot better now. And so are the tests.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Wait. they just didn't get caught. Isn't that the opinion of the masses?

Nibali...he is keeping up with dopers, rode for one of the all time doping teams, but isn't that the argument that was made for Armstrong? Lance isn't doping...it's talent!

Sastre? Hangs with and rides for Riis? CSC? He also rode for Saiz.

All I am doing here is pointing out the arguments that have been made on other riders. Seem to apply here too. I don't care if they did or didn't.



No need to defend your comment. Just tossing out a few thoughts.


Personally I think they all take something...when I raced we all took something. It's just that the somethings are a lot better now. And so are the tests.
I get the thoughts. Associations are not enough for me as it is too easy to be associated with someone that was a user. If Riis offers a job - take it. There is just no hard data on them where even Wiggins took a banned PED, legally via a TUE.

I think the juniors, the low 20s are not taking something (I am aware of the busts there, and they are exceptions). Maybe riders are peaking in late 20s because of something.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
If you want to stop doping, shorten the races.
That's why there's no doping in track racing; because the events are so short.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
That's why there's no doping in track racing; because the events are so short.
How many laps to they generally ride on Mont Ventoux?
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Wait. they just didn't get caught....
That is what I posted. And it is not opinion. You are known to have used PEDs by test or admission, or you are not.
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