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Old 01-12-18, 12:59 PM   #126
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Again, as a lifelong inhaler-sucker, I find this preposterous.
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I rode a bike, ran, even played some organized sports in high school, and cycle-commuted for 15 years. I have had Lots of trials and can report lots of Real-World results. I have never found an inhaler which boosted me beyond my normal capacity. if I had, I would have used it constantly until I hurt myselef (don't ask why I know that.)
I am with you 100% here. Anybody with asthma knows.
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Old 01-12-18, 01:48 PM   #127
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]Because Contador was busted for clenbuterol which is a banned substance in any amount[/B] and salbutamol is allowed as long as you intake under a certain amount per day. Salbutamol is tested via urine test and must be under 1000 ng/mL. Per WADA rules, a urine test presence above this amount isn't an automatic adverse test - the athlete is first given a chance to prove they ingested within the prescribed limits. They followed the same process for the two previous riders that tested above the limit. As much as you want to believe it they aren't giving him special treatment at this stage of the process.

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You know, I always thought that Contador got the shaft in that decision given the fact that clenbuterol is a substance that continues to be used in Spain in order to enhance growth of lean mass in livestock (in the US as well, though you won't find anybody admitting to such in the open). In fact in 1990, in Spain, 135 people were reported to have come down with ill effects due to having ingested animal products that showed residual amounts of the steroid. Presumably, in those cases, those people would have shown amounts of clenbuterol in their bloodstreams that far surpassed the infinitesimal amount found in Contador's system.

You're right--I do think the UCI is being extraordinarily solicitous on Froome's behalf, especially given the fact that he has been known to have evaded drug tests in the past.

We shall see how this turns out for him.

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You know, I always thought that Contador got the shaft in that decision given the fact that clenbuterol is a substance that continues to be used in Spain in order to enhance growth of lean mass in livestock (in the US as well, though you won't find anybody admitting to such in the open). In fact in 1990, in Spain, 135 people were reported to have come down with ill effects due to having ingested animal products that showed residual amounts of the steroid.

You're right--I do think the UCI is being extraordinarily solicitous on Froome's behalf, especially given the fact that he has been known to have evaded drug tests in the past.

We shall see how this turns out for him.
Yeah in Contador's case I tend to believe that it really was something in the meat. I also tend to believe with Froome he was taking the maximum allowed dosage and his body didn't process it all out. Regardless of the reason, my gut feeling is that Sky is able to scientifically show that he can take up to the allowed dosage and still produce that test result and he won't receive an adverse finding on his record.
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Old 01-12-18, 02:42 PM   #129
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You know, I always thought that Contador got the shaft in that decision given the fact that clenbuterol is a substance that continues to be used in Spain in order to enhance growth of lean mass in livestock
Not true it is banned in the US and the EU in food animals.

But I agree, relative to Froome, Contador got the shaft and Froome is getting beyond a kid-glove treatment for a test result that passes no honest person's red-face test. There is literally no honest way for Froome to test that high. If he was having that much of an asthma problem combined with dehydration and whatever his British Dr Ferrari can dream up, his asthma was not being treated right and he shouldn't have been able to ride at all.
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Not true it is banned in the US and the EU in food animals.

But I agree, relative to Froome, Contador got the shaft and Froome is getting beyond a kid-glove treatment for a test result that passes no honest person's red-face test. There is literally no honest way for Froome to test that high. If he was having that much of an asthma problem combined with dehydration and whatever his British Dr Ferrari can dream up, his asthma was not being treated right and he shouldn't have been able to ride at all.
I agree that it is banned.
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Old 01-12-18, 03:33 PM   #131
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Sagaan got DQ'd for one elbow bump.
Defending his space .

i guess elbow contact is a more serious crime .
Well, he wasn't really disqualified. He was just temporarily ejected from the race. Then 6 months after the end of the race the UCI said "oops", and that all was good.

It also only applied to a single multi-stage race.

In this case, the Vuelta Espana is all over. And, Froome isn't considered a menace to other riders.

No matter the outcome for 2018 races, I'd give it a high probability that Froome's 2017 Vuelta Espana results will be deleted. Perhaps other races too.
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Old 01-12-18, 04:13 PM   #132
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I think the UCI went after Contador because he weasled out of Operacion Porto. There were rumors of athletes eating contaminated meat form China and (I think) South America or Mexico .... the amounts Contador showed were barely above experimental error and could easily have been by passed ... in fact the Spanish Federation gave him a pass, as I recall, and either UCI or WADA went after him a second time.

Thing is, Contador Certainly doped at least a little, because he was int he era ... and was one of the last big names not to have been caught.

As for banned substances being used .... That would Never happen ... not Ever. We all know that.
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Well, who know how it will all shake out.

I must say that, for my part, I'm quite surprised. If I suspected Froome of doping it was of mechanical doping, if anything. Maybe he did that too? History will shed its light on things in due time.
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Well, who know how it will all shake out.

I must say that, for my part, I'm quite surprised. If I suspected Froome of doping it was of mechanical doping, if anything. Maybe he did that too? History will shed its light on things in due time.
I thought he claimed a mechanical at the bottom of the last , steepest climbs in one of the mt stages
to get a new bike with a better gearing. When he stopped to change, one rider took off , a Skye rider yelled "MECHANICAL"
So he waited for Froome to catch back up. Froome's cadence sure seemed faster to me after the bike change.
Not illegal, but a tad underhanded.

No proof, but it seemed suspicious to me.
Maybe its "Smart" to fake/cause a mechanical, in the lead pack to
get a bike set up better for the last few miles of a steep climb.
Making a break on a leader who's having a mechanical is an unwritten taboo.

All fair in love , war & possession of the yellow jersey

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@bogydave. I believe this is what you're referring to.
Tour de France: Chris Froome feared he would not retain yellow jersey - BBC Sport

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I don't see why this should end Froome's career. Credibility, sure. But it's not a banned substance, doesn't even need a TUE, and so far only one lab test has been reported.

If he suffers serious repercussions it's mainly because Sky has pissed off all the right people and Froome is one of the least engaging champions in decades.

Keep in mind that in pro cycling, nobody likes a winner. Even Eddy Merckx was harshly criticized and even physically assaulted toward the end of his career for being too successful and too dominant.

Pro cycling is a wonderfully stupid sport that makes absolutely no sense. Doping can only make it better. If by better I mean crazier and more entertaining. Which I do.

I know it's been a little while since you wrote this, but this is one of the most insightful posts ever out here.

BTW...I was on the Puy d'Dome when Eddy got hammered. The team I was on had been in a race close by so we went over to watch.

Your comment about pissing off the right people is spot on.
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