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Old 07-02-05, 03:30 PM
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I'd like an Aussie TDF winner after Lance gets #7.

Maybe Mark Webber... errr, oops... wrong sport.
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Ullrich got owned. He's totally done. He's got nothing. He can't put time on Lance in the mountains, he got served in the TT- and a short one!
Lance about has a free ride to #7 barring accidents.
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Old 07-02-05, 03:56 PM
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Congrats to Zabriskie! He is a local (out of SLC), I raced him once up little cotton wood canyon, uh, he kicked my butt...
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Originally Posted by RacerX
Ullrich got owned. He's totally done. He's got nothing. He can't put time on Lance in the mountains, he got served in the TT- and a short one!
Lance about has a free ride to #7 barring accidents.
Listen I am Lance Fan#1 - But don't forget 2003. Jan OWNED Lance in the mountains for several days and nearly won...Lance had some serious health issues and some bad luck as well (kinda the way Jan is right now right a stitched neck and likely sore muscles from his Friday crash)

I agree that Jan stunk the place out comapared to Lance today..but today is over. The race hasn't even begun yet.

I love this race and love the drama, but hate the day1 "HE'S DONE!, or "HE'S GOT IT IN THE BAG"
Anyone has watched a Tour de France knows that comments like that on day1 are as ridiculous as winning the tour 5 times in a row...er wait...
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Hats off to Zabriskie. He averaged 33 mph over 19 miles. What a great ride!

No doubt the winner will come from either Discovery Channel, T-mobile, CSC, or Phonak.
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Old 07-02-05, 04:39 PM
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It has been mentioned how Lance had super small gearing on his TT bike for stage 1. Do you think that some of the other Discovery team riders communicated to Lance information so as to determine a gear ratio just prior to Lance staring his time trial?
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Originally Posted by georgiaboy
It has been mentioned how Lance had super small gearing on his TT bike for stage 1. Do you think that some of the other Discovery team riders communicated to Lance information so as to determine a gear ratio just prior to Lance staring his time trial?
Im sure they all had the course scoped out and had a plan made long before todays stage.
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I thought Botero would do better but prologues aren't his thing anyways, the long TT is more his thing.
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Originally Posted by pedex
gotta love the Ullrich bashing, give me a break, the man bounced off a car yesterday and broke the rear window, its a wonder he is riding at all, he's probably stiff and sore all over.........."little accident"**********No im not an Ullrich fan, but come on, give credit where credit is due.

my respect goes to all the guys out there riding in more than just ONE GT this year, WTG guys, thats what racing is about
Agreed. While it was a GREAT start to what looks like is shaping up to be an historic tour, Zabriskie and Lance absolutely smoking the TT, you have to hand it to Jan just for even being there at all considering he went threw a rear windscreen yesterday. I look to see him coming back. I WANT him to. Give the guy a break (and smaller chainrings ) - He is a great rider. I just like the competition and the DRAMA! As said above - that's what racing is all about.

So fun! BTW - was flipping back and forth between the Tour and Live 8 - and the reunited Pink Floyd totally blistered Hyde Park! Epic all over this weekend!
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Old 07-02-05, 05:38 PM
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In an interview last year, Lance commented how part of the stragegy was NOT to place first prematurely- one, to avoid having to defend the yellow, but primarily it's a strategic time management thing. The top finisher has to go to a photo op, then a mandatory drug control, then a mandatory press conference.
The second finisher goes directly into recovery mode, and get 2 hours more rest/sleep than the winner.

If Lance can place second for the first 10 stages, and if luck/ team dynamics can rotate the first place finishes among a variety of competitors, then after Stage10 Lance will be in first place without ever winning AND will have had 20 hours more rest than the first-placers.

That's the genius of Johan Bruyneel and the sophistication of LA's team.

And FWIW you've got to give Ullrich space for the crash just before the Tour.
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What if Jan is just bluffing too? Remember LA has done this a couple of times to Jan... Maybe he wants one last chance for payback...
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Old 07-02-05, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by steveh2
This boggles my mind. Not that Zabriskie has the fastest tt speed ever, but that Lemond's speed has stood for 16 years. What's been the point of all of that bike technology, training methods, aerodynamics, etc., if it hasn't led to a faster tt time?

Have tt times in general gotten faster? Was Lemond's speed a huge anomaly, aided by some environmental or geographical condition (like Beamon's 1968 long jump)?

Perhaps the race of a champion...Lemond... knowing what he needed to do to win the Tour. I believe that LA set out with the goal of catching Jan....I also believe that when he sets a goal you better look out. I really really hope someone challenges him big time.

I wish I had chosen Gonzalez de Galdeano for my top 10 picks, looks as if he may ride a good tour. With the 2 early TT's he may endup the team leader
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Originally Posted by steveh2
This boggles my mind. Not that Zabriskie has the fastest tt speed ever, but that Lemond's speed has stood for 16 years. What's been the point of all of that bike technology, training methods, aerodynamics, etc., if it hasn't led to a faster tt time?

Have tt times in general gotten faster? Was Lemond's speed a huge anomaly, aided by some environmental or geographical condition (like Beamon's 1968 long jump)?
You mean all the dopers that Lemond was/is complaining about couldn't beat his record?
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Old 07-02-05, 06:26 PM
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How great was Lance's ride today? Problems getting clipped in at the start. Eased off in the last mile or so after putting away Ullrich. Result: Lance's fastest TdF time trial of his career and the second fastest time trial speed in the TdF in 102 years at 33.97 MPH - Zabriske setting the "all time" record for the Tour at 33.98 MPH.

The "Lance Bashers" will say that the other contenders were just "laying low" to let Lance get "over confident". But, which guy who intends to WIN the Tour would "spot" Lance these sorts of margin:


- Basso 1:24

- Heras 2:18

- Mayo 3:13


Ullrich, riding well considering his "hard" crash earlier this week, and Vinokourov are the only contenders who ought to feel pretty good about how their day went. For a guy just along to "help" out Ullrich, Vinokourov is looking mighty strong.
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Old 07-02-05, 06:30 PM
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No one expects Heras and Mayo to stay close to Lance in a TT. Basso? The Giro/TDF double is tough on the legs.

Lance has never truly had a bad day in the Tour. It's incredible how much time one can lose in the mountains if they come down with even the slightest illness. He could easily lose 20 minutes if that happened.

It ain't over yet.
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Originally Posted by edtrek
If Lance can place second for the first 10 stages, and if luck/ team dynamics can rotate the first place finishes among a variety of competitors, then after Stage10 Lance will be in first place without ever winning AND will have had 20 hours more rest than the first-placers.

That's the genius of Johan Bruyneel and the sophistication of LA's team.
I don't doubt that the actual win today wasn't of the utmost importance to LA & Disco, but I would be shocked if Disco didn't do everything in their power to win the TTT. If they do, then your theory most likely can't last past stage 4.

Certainly Disco don't want all the front-of-the-peloton workload, but they are not going to throw away the TTT unless someone else is simply better on the day. CSC could be that team, thereby potentially keeping DZ in yellow, but it's definitely not a given.
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Originally Posted by Bikeophile
Listen I am Lance Fan#1 - But don't forget 2003.


I love this race and love the drama, but hate the day1 "HE'S DONE!, or "HE'S GOT IT IN THE BAG"
Anyone has watched a Tour de France knows that comments like that on day1 are as ridiculous as winning the tour 5 times in a row...er wait...
oh yeah 2003... where Ullrich had much better form and Lance STILL won.

Ullrich doesn't have the attitude nor the form to win this year. You don't give up over a minute in 19K on purpose, that's just embarassing.

Ullrich had a crash before the TT... oh well, that's life. Suck it up and win or loose, excuses dont win the TDF. Ullrich himself said the crash was not serious.

Ullrich is done. He had NO form in the Td Suisse and he's only going to loose time to Lance in future TT's and mountains. I will be surprised if Ullrich can even stay in the front group on the climbs. He's done. No form is NO FORM. He doesn't have it- I wish he did but he doesn't. Lance has him mentally too- Ullrich will never break Lance man-to-man, because a) Lance has broken him many times b) Ullrich has NO FORM

T-Mobile's DS even said [we still have Vino to focus on] after today.

I'm looking for Basso to make things interesting. Vino and Kloden are good so the race will still be an interesting battle for 2nd and 3rd... and alot of finger crossing by Lance & Co that there are no accidents.
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Originally Posted by operator
If it wasn't for the pedal screw up I think LA could've won the prologue.
:rolleyes

Lance wasn't winning the "first stage." No way they want to defend the jersey. And to those who say just lose it it doesn't quite work that way. Way bad form.
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Originally Posted by Bikeophile
David Millar will win for sure....





DOH!

2006 baby! Assuming anyone wants to take him back ...
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I think the real interesting part about this years TDF is how many guys arlready have a GT in their legs, given that should the old adage that you cant do well in more than one GT hold true, that wipes out basso,heras,zabriskie, and quite a few others.You wont likely see this little idea bantered around during LA's final TDF I dont think though.However, should any of these multiple GT guys do well and/or actually win it, it will look very very bad on LA whether LA fans want to acknowledge it or not.If the conventional wisdom of one GT and one GT only for serious GC contenders does hold true, well who are we looking at here?LA and ?Im honestly not sure how far you have to go down the list before you find someone actually with a legit shot at a GC win that wasnt in the Giro, im sure someone here knows?
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston

Ullrich, riding well considering his "hard" crash earlier this week,
Considering he hit the back window hard enough to smash it, I don't think that the quotes are required. Jerk.
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Ullrich had a crash before the TT... oh well, that's life. Suck it up and win or loose, excuses dont win the TDF. Ullrich himself said the crash was not serious.
Yeah, you're right. There are no excuses however I (and apparently Paul and Phil) think HE was downplaying it. He broke the back window of that Audi for christ's sake. Do you know how hard it is to do that?
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Ullrich has Armstrong right where he wants him... .
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before I comment on the actual stage, lets keep this civil.
I know there are some strong feelings here, but it's no excuse for
downright rudeness or personal attacks. . .
ok enough of that
Originally Posted by devil
I only recognize about three posters in this thread. Where did everyone come from?
like someone once said "It's the Tour, baby!"
DZ was awesome, props to him for the win and breaking Greg's TT record
(will we hear Greg whinge about this one? I hope not).
Lance, despite clipping out could have won the stage if he wanted
to. He just did not need to. His message was delivered loud and clear.
I'm betting Jan is hurting way more than he is letting on, going through
a window's gotta hurt. FWIW I think the reason Jan won't win is psychological
he can't seem to figure out LA and how to beat him.
I don't know if Vino can maintain for the entire tour, if this wasn't a grand
tour I think he would be a strong contender. It does speak legions for him
and will bode well when he leaves T-mobile next year.
The tour is NOT over, not by a long shot, there is too much unpredictable
in the first week or so, remember Lance in the crash 2 years ago (or was it 3?)
anyhow we have a long way to go before paris, I'm hoping for a close nail
biter of a tour.
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Originally Posted by pedex
I think the real interesting part about this years TDF is how many guys arlready have a GT in their legs, given that should the old adage that you cant do well in more than one GT hold true, that wipes out basso,heras,zabriskie, and quite a few others. <snip> Im honestly not sure how far you have to go down the list before you find someone actually with a legit shot at a GC win that wasnt in the Giro, im sure someone here knows?
Basso did a pretty good job at the Giro. He was ill for part of it, and came back to form in the last few days... But I don't think 28th place is what you're talking about. Heras didn't ride the Giro, but rides the Vuelta ususally.

Most of the riders who have a shot at the Tour didn't ride the Giro: Ullrich, Kloden, Vinokourov, Mayo, Heras. Even Bradley McGee decided to save himself this year.

What interests me is guys like Paolo Savoldelli. Giro winner, ready to run his butt into the ground for Lance in the mountains. That's one tired dude come July 24th.
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