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Old 07-12-19, 07:45 PM
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dumb question about pronunciation

why does Bob Roll say Thomas De Gent's name as Thomas De Hent, with the H in place of the G

have heard Phil say it both ways

thanks!
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Old 07-13-19, 01:33 AM
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now you know why so many of us *cough* me *cough* use abbreviations or nicknames for the riders when "discussing" them.
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Thomas de Gendt is a rider from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium. This means that the letter g is pronounced not as a plosive (as in English) but as a velar fricative ɣ. In Flanders this approximates the letter h, but not quite. So /hent/ is definitely beter than /gent/. And now, with this information, try to pronounce 'Vincent van Gogh' correctly :-)
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Originally Posted by alois View Post
Thomas de Gendt is a rider from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium. This means that the letter g is pronounced not as a plosive (as in English) but as a velar fricative ɣ. In Flanders this approximates the letter h, but not quite. So /hent/ is definitely beter than /gent/. And now, with this information, try to pronounce 'Vincent van Gogh' correctly :-)
De Hent wins a stage!!

thanks for the lesson
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Originally Posted by alois View Post
Thomas de Gendt is a rider from the Dutch speaking part of Belgium. This means that the letter g is pronounced not as a plosive (as in English) but as a velar fricative ɣ. In Flanders this approximates the letter h, but not quite. So /hent/ is definitely beter than /gent/. And now, with this information, try to pronounce 'Vincent van Gogh' correctly :-)
or 'gouda'
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Old 07-19-19, 09:06 AM
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I always thought it was strange that Americans replaced the Spanish J with an H (the Spanish J is very simular to the Dutch G). Not that it's strange to replace it with a sound that exists in English too, but they don't replace it with their G, as the Spanish J is very clear and distinctive just as the G and the H is almost nothing, just a bit of air escaping. I thought they were just beeing practical, to show the non English origin and to avoid pronouncing the common Spanish first name 'Jésus' in way that sounds weird.

But it turns out that in the famously unintelligable West-Flemish dialect the G is pronounced as H too. Thomas de Gendt is from the province of East-Flanders, which has a different dialect, but they are related. So there's a good chance the American commentater pronounced his last name exactly like the people who gave him that name.
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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post
I always thought it was strange that Americans replaced the Spanish J with an H (the Spanish J is very simular to the Dutch G). Not that it's strange to replace it with a sound that exists in English too, but they don't replace it with their G, as the Spanish J is very clear and distinctive just as the G and the H is almost nothing, just a bit of air escaping. I thought they were just beeing practical, to show the non English origin and to avoid pronouncing the common Spanish first name 'Jésus' in way that sounds weird.

But it turns out that in the famously unintelligable West-Flemish dialect the G is pronounced as H too. Thomas de Gendt is from the province of East-Flanders, which has a different dialect, but they are related. So there's a good chance the American commentater pronounced his last name exactly like the people who gave him that name.
Probably because the U.S. is a lot closer to Mexico than Spain.
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Old 07-19-19, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ksryder View Post
Probably because the U.S. is a lot closer to Mexico than Spain.
Does that really matter? I thought the Mexicans had that throat clearing sound too.
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Well there's about 50 dialects in Mexico to say nothing about the various dialects from the many other Spanish-speaking countries that people immigrate from so yeah.
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Well there's about 50 dialects in Mexico to say nothing about the various dialects from the many other Spanish-speaking countries that people immigrate from so yeah.
I don't think so. There are differences with Spanish as in Spain, but I can't remember ever heard anyone from any Spanish speaking country pronounce the J wihtout any throut clearing sound. It's even in how Mexicans pronounce the name of their own country.
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Oh I see what you're up to. Good bye.
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Oh I see what you're up to. Good bye.
And I still have no idea about your angle here...
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