Stage 15: Lezat/Leze - Saint Lary Soulan
07-17-05, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by serotta
Draw your own conclusions, I didn't get that impression. Pereiro is a professional, appreciation is in his check at the end of the month if not on the road to the summit.
Where exactly did you see an interview with Pereiro to even have an impression of his state of mind?
07-17-05, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by stevesurf
I said "could" be! It is too early in his career and he has too much Tour De France experience to be dismissed so quickly
07-17-05, 11:07 AM
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Records to beat before the 2005 Tour de France:
Most stage wins in a single tour: 8 by Charles Pelissier (1930), Eddy Merckx (1970, 1974) and Freddy Maertens (1976)
Most stage victories: Eddy Merckx (34)
Most podium finishes: 8 for Raymond Poulidor (3 times 2nd, 5 times 3rd) in 14 starts between
1962 and 1976
Most different riders to wear yellow jersey during one tour: 8 in 1958 and 1987
Most days spent in yellow: 96 by Eddy Merckx ( in 7 participations)
Biggest gap in the GC (since 1947) between a winner and second place: 28min 27sec
(Fausto Coppi- Stan Ockers in 1952)
Smallest gap: 8 seconds (Greg LeMond - Laurent Fignon in 1989)
Biggest solitary escape: 253km by Albert Bourlon in 1947
Biggest gap at the finish of a stage: 22 min 50 sec by Jose Luis Viejo in 1976
Fastest individual time trial: 54.545km/h by Greg Lemondin 1989 over 24.5km
Fastest team time trial: 50.355km/h by Gewiss in 1995 over 67km.
Highest average speed over a regular road stage: 50.355 km/h by Mario Cipollini in 1999 over
194.5 km (Laval-Blois)
Highest average speed over the whole Tour: 40.940 km/h by Lance Armstrong in 2003
Oldest winner: Firmin Lambot (36) in 1922
Youngest winner: Henri Cornet (20) in 1904
Most starts: 16 by Joop Zoetemelk between 1970 and 1986. (Never abandoned)
Most stage wins in a single tour: 8 by Charles Pelissier (1930), Eddy Merckx (1970, 1974) and Freddy Maertens (1976)
Most stage victories: Eddy Merckx (34)
Most podium finishes: 8 for Raymond Poulidor (3 times 2nd, 5 times 3rd) in 14 starts between
1962 and 1976
Most different riders to wear yellow jersey during one tour: 8 in 1958 and 1987
Most days spent in yellow: 96 by Eddy Merckx ( in 7 participations)
Biggest gap in the GC (since 1947) between a winner and second place: 28min 27sec
(Fausto Coppi- Stan Ockers in 1952)
Smallest gap: 8 seconds (Greg LeMond - Laurent Fignon in 1989)
Biggest solitary escape: 253km by Albert Bourlon in 1947
Biggest gap at the finish of a stage: 22 min 50 sec by Jose Luis Viejo in 1976
Fastest individual time trial: 54.545km/h by Greg Lemondin 1989 over 24.5km
Fastest team time trial: 50.355km/h by Gewiss in 1995 over 67km.
Highest average speed over a regular road stage: 50.355 km/h by Mario Cipollini in 1999 over
194.5 km (Laval-Blois)
Highest average speed over the whole Tour: 40.940 km/h by Lance Armstrong in 2003
Oldest winner: Firmin Lambot (36) in 1922
Youngest winner: Henri Cornet (20) in 1904
Most starts: 16 by Joop Zoetemelk between 1970 and 1986. (Never abandoned)
07-17-05, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Iron Chef
Most career wins or most wins in a single Tour?
(I hope its not LA or I'll be accused of kissing ass!!)
Stew
Just seen the reply so I'll edit this post
Thanks Iron Chef.
That just leaves the combined Polka Dot/Yellow jersey issue
Stew
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I don't think I've seen this stage of the race before, but I was watching the end of the race today and was shocked at the crowds near the summit of the climb. How do those guys manage to 1) stay on the bike, 2) not run over the spectators, 3) maintain the concentration necessary to be aware of their competition and the race they want to ride? I saw a film crew motorbike run over a couple of spectators, and I couldn't help thinking that it was deserved. Can the close proximity of the crowds help the riders? Don't those dolts realize how much they are hindering riders they support and admire? I actually breathed a sigh of relief when they reached the barriers--think the commentators did, too, as they kept talking about the riders being 'safe' now. Gotta hand it to those guys--tough climb, tough conditions to deal with in addition to the actual bike route! It was awesome! So happy for George, Lance, and the whole Discovery team!
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07-17-05, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Walter, it is a lot of fun to edit folk's posts, and take a couple of words of the original context.
Your obsession with defending the quitters and losers of the Tour is touching and heart-warming. But, the history of the Tour is written about the riders who are hurt, injured, ill, in pain and suffering. And who ride all the way to Paris. That is why Poulidor is a big chapter in the history of the Tour. And a guy like Boonen will never rate a footnote.
Your obsession with defending the quitters and losers of the Tour is touching and heart-warming. But, the history of the Tour is written about the riders who are hurt, injured, ill, in pain and suffering. And who ride all the way to Paris. That is why Poulidor is a big chapter in the history of the Tour. And a guy like Boonen will never rate a footnote.
, because that's who I'm defending. 
There, I left all the fluff in there since you don't like your posts edited.
07-17-05, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by stevesurf
I said "could" be! It is too early in his career and he has too much Tour De France experience to be dismissed so quickly. Of course, I do not believe that anyone will ever claim as many TDF victories and Yellow Jerseys as Lance
07-17-05, 11:12 AM
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Yeah, I agree. Don't get it either.
I would be too nervous to even pedal if I were that close to the crowds!
I would be too nervous to even pedal if I were that close to the crowds!
07-17-05, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CgChris
is it just me...or is Waltergodefroot a total ******?..lol
07-17-05, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by stewartp
I guess I meant wins in a single tour. A rider who tok the GC and gathered a record of stage wins would be an indication of total dominance in taht particular year/era.
Charles Pelissier . 1930 . 9th overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1970 . 1st overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1974 . 1st overall
Freddy Maertens . . 1976 . 8th overall
Copi and Merckx won both the mountains and overall jersey in the same tour twice.
Most multiple jerseys in a career? Merckx: Overall (5), Mountains (2), Points (3)
07-17-05, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bauerthis
Ok so why was it a cheap win?
Originally Posted by Bauerthis
They were the only two left of the breakaway. If Oscar didn't want to set the pace then let George.
Originally Posted by Bauerthis
From what it looked like Oscar didn't even attempt to sprint with George to the line.
Originally Posted by Bauerthis
"NEWS FLASH" for you boys it's called RACING. You do whatever it takes to win...
He sucked wheel the ENTIRE long, long, break!! Not a SINGLE pull!! I don't recall somebody winning like that before, from a break, in a big professional race. Winning without the respect of your peers is worse than losing for most people.
07-17-05, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Laggard
All these guys had eight stage wins in one tour:
Charles Pelissier . 1930 . 9th overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1970 . 1st overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1974 . 1st overall
Freddy Maertens . . 1976 . 8th overall
Copi and Merckx won both the mountains and overall jersey in the same tour twice.
Most multiple jerseys in a career? Merckx: Overall (5), Mountains (2), Points (3)
Charles Pelissier . 1930 . 9th overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1970 . 1st overall
Eddy Merckx . . . . 1974 . 1st overall
Freddy Maertens . . 1976 . 8th overall
Copi and Merckx won both the mountains and overall jersey in the same tour twice.
Most multiple jerseys in a career? Merckx: Overall (5), Mountains (2), Points (3)
So - by almost any yardstick (save most number of Tour wins
) Eddie Merckx is THE MAN.Stew
Or another way of putting it - up until two years ago, Eddie Merckkx was THE MAN. now its debatable.
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Originally Posted by vbike
How's your sprint after pulling a guy 150k?
Hehe... make sure you pass along that good advice to your kids He sucked wheel the ENTIRE long, long, break!! Not a SINGLE pull!! I don't recall somebody winning like that before, from a break, in a big professional race. Winning without the respect of your peers is worse than losing for most people.
He sucked wheel the ENTIRE long, long, break!! Not a SINGLE pull!! I don't recall somebody winning like that before, from a break, in a big professional race. Winning without the respect of your peers is worse than losing for most people.
It still happens often now, but it's not as clear... because now the riders usually make a deal that 'I'll help if I get to have the stage'.
07-17-05, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bikewriter
I'm so happy for the guy. First Tour stage ever. He's deserves the win.
2) If you heard, but just disregarded, PLACE ALL TALK ABOUT THE DAY'S STAGE IN THE THREAD CREATED
3) Generally, for everyone, have some regard for the folks that HAVEN'T watched the stage- most people are totally doing it right and sticking everything in the threads created, but for those who aren't... STOP DISREGARDING THE THREADS CREATED FOR TALKING ABOUT THE DAY'S STAGE PLEASE.
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Originally Posted by thad
Whatever, if Periero was strong, he should have rode away. He could have set the pace at whatever he wanted it to be, including slower.
07-17-05, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dolomiti
How is anybody's sprint after such a route? Considering the difficulty of the climbs, I don't think that drafting less than 50 kilometers in valleys would really matter much.
07-17-05, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vbike
At the speed the pros go, it matters a lot. That's why Lance relies on his teammates at the bottom of the climbs. In addition, there was a strong wind. Did you notice the flags blowing at the top of the climbs.
07-17-05, 12:13 PM
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Kinda bugs me when Liggett tells us how Armstrong does SO MUCH MORE preparation for the Tour than anyone else because he trains along the exact Tour route (therefore, kinda suggestign that the other riders aren't nearly as professional, but fails to mention that many of the other riders couldn't afford the time off, not would they have the resources to do what he does!!
I'm guessing Cadel Evans and Michael Rogers wouldn't be able to take off all of May or June to train around France
I'm guessing Cadel Evans and Michael Rogers wouldn't be able to take off all of May or June to train around France
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Originally Posted by 531Aussie
Kinda bugs me when Liggett tells us how Armstrong does SO MUCH MORE preparation for the Tour than anyone else because he trains along the exact Tour route, but fails to mention that many of the other riders couldn't afford the time off, not would they have the resources to do what he does!!
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Originally Posted by 993
This may be a dumb question but does Ullrich or Basso ever get off of the saddle?
07-17-05, 12:18 PM
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I'm not sure.
do they have the same luxuries as Armstrong?
Do they have the same power within their teams to dictate what they do?
do they have the same luxuries as Armstrong?
Do they have the same power within their teams to dictate what they do?
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I am happy that Hincapie finally won a stage after so many years as Lance's domestic in the tour. He deserved it as much as anyone else. However, the win was without any panache and it won't be remembered for a long time.
It doesn't matter whether it was beneficial or not or even whether he needed to, but sucking wheels the whole way is just a total lack of class in cycling when he got the blessings to go for the win.
It doesn't matter whether it was beneficial or not or even whether he needed to, but sucking wheels the whole way is just a total lack of class in cycling when he got the blessings to go for the win.
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If George started trading pulls with a "pure climber" on the toughest mountain stage of the Tour, he would have been dropped.
By the way I just watched the tape again and he did take some pulls when they were down to 3 guys. Pereiro attacked and Hincapie went with him. Usually when a guy attacks like that he won't expect the guy who manages to go with him to take any pulls. He might hope for it, but can't expect it. He's 5'8 140 and can't drop a guy who's 6'3 175 on an HC climb?
By the way I just watched the tape again and he did take some pulls when they were down to 3 guys. Pereiro attacked and Hincapie went with him. Usually when a guy attacks like that he won't expect the guy who manages to go with him to take any pulls. He might hope for it, but can't expect it. He's 5'8 140 and can't drop a guy who's 6'3 175 on an HC climb?