Notices
Professional Cycling For the Fans Follow the Tour de France,the Giro de Italia, the Spring Classics, or other professional cycling races? Here's your home...

The White Jersey

Old 10-23-20, 03:59 PM
  #1  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
The White Jersey

Is it really needed? Seems those of that age group are doing just fine. I'd vote for an over 35 jersey.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 04:23 PM
  #2  
aclinjury
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 498
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 371 Post(s)
Liked 111 Times in 85 Posts
I have always thought of the white jersey as a "participation" jersey. Age is against you in this sport, so give the old geezers the participation award, dammit.
With young guys, they're practically like teenagers, you expect them to go 5-6 rounds ejackulation a night; not so with the geezers as they need to pick and choose the battles.
aclinjury is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 04:37 PM
  #3  
bOsscO
bOsscO
 
bOsscO's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 250

Bikes: 2015 Norco Search S1, 2012 Cervelo R5, 93 Mongoose IBOC COMP

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked 105 Times in 68 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Is it really needed? Seems those of that age group are doing just fine. I'd vote for an over 35 jersey.
They could call it the Lantern Rouge jersey.
bOsscO is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 04:39 PM
  #4  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by bOsscO View Post
They could call it the Lantern Rouge jersey.
Just that the ridders (White and Rouge) tend to be at the opposite ends.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 04:51 PM
  #5  
Iride01
Hits [ENTER] b4 thinking
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 4,927

Bikes: '20 Tarmac Disc Comp '91 Schwinn Paramount '78 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1882 Post(s)
Liked 708 Times in 535 Posts
Well the white jersey for best young rider has been around since the mid 70's for the TdF and the Giro. Typically the young guys had to pull for the older guys that got to get the GC jersey. So maybe this was a concession for that.

Still haven't quite figured out what it means in the Veulta. Not sure they know either.
Iride01 is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 05:44 PM
  #6  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Well the white jersey for best young rider has been around since the mid 70's for the TdF and the Giro. Typically the young guys had to pull for the older guys that got to get the GC jersey. So maybe this was a concession for that.

Still haven't quite figured out what it means in the Veulta. Not sure they know either.
There was a day when those under 25 had a real hard time winning, and they were not the GC leaders. I no longer see that as true. Having a kid who raced against these guys, I'd make a comment that the juniors or U23 were as fast (fast, not 20 stages capable) as the pros and be laughed at and disagreed with. Fact is, right now, the U23/U25 are the fastest. The old guys may know how to win, but they are not as fast. Primoz became a pro about 4 years ago, so he has a freshness about him that makes him seem like a low age kid with the wisdom of an older rider. Anyway, those wearing the white are every bit as competitive in this modern age. Like I said, give it to the old guys.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-23-20, 06:28 PM
  #7  
Iride01
Hits [ENTER] b4 thinking
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 4,927

Bikes: '20 Tarmac Disc Comp '91 Schwinn Paramount '78 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1882 Post(s)
Liked 708 Times in 535 Posts
Jersey's are sort of a weird enticement the race organizers created to give riders a reason to show up and also a reason for the race organizer to go out and find sponsors for that jersey to get more money from... in some cases.

I suppose when they feel they need to change or create another category of jersey they'll do that.

I'm not sure I'd want to compete for the old guy competition though.
Iride01 is offline  
Old 10-25-20, 10:49 AM
  #8  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
Giro GC winners - 1,2 and 4 all U25.

Last edited by Doge; 10-25-20 at 05:07 PM.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-26-20, 05:12 PM
  #9  
Iride01
Hits [ENTER] b4 thinking
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 4,927

Bikes: '20 Tarmac Disc Comp '91 Schwinn Paramount '78 Raleigh Competition GS

Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1882 Post(s)
Liked 708 Times in 535 Posts
In the previous ten years, I think only one other person met the qualifications for the white jersey in the Giro d'Italia and won the general classification. Or at least the white jersey as defined by the Giro today. Sometimes qualifications change.

So 2 out of ten isn't really much to say the new guys shouldn't have a jersey for themselves.
Iride01 is offline  
Old 10-26-20, 10:23 PM
  #10  
ooga-booga
lead on, macduff!
 
ooga-booga's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: san diego (uni/normal heights), california
Posts: 5,696

Bikes: 85 pinarello treviso steel, 88 nishiki olympic steel. 95 look kg 131 carbon, 11 trek madone 5.2 carbon

Mentioned: 25 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 834 Post(s)
Liked 776 Times in 431 Posts
Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Giro GC winners - 1,2 and 4 all U25.
hopefully, we see the same in the vuelta.
ooga-booga is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 01:34 AM
  #11  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 11,987

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 185 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3818 Post(s)
Liked 1,508 Times in 990 Posts
Turns out youth isn't always bulletproof. Egan Bernal is facing extended rehab to fix a problem I've had for years -- scoliosis, mostly exacerbated by having one leg shorter than the other, combined with the usual injuries from falls and overwork. But I'm 62. He's only 24 or 25, I think.

Kinda hard to imagine that these exciting wunderkinds might not dominate the sport as we'd imagined, after Bernal made it look easy in the 2019 TdF, and Remco Evenepoel seemed poised to be the Next Big Thing, before a serious crash and injury.

Seems more likely now that no rider will dominate the grand tours for the foreseeable future, but there will be many youngsters vying for what may be their one big win.

As even Sagan has said (hard to think of him as a veteran already), the peloton has changed a lot. The era of the patron or boss is over and it's more of a free for all now. Younger riders may realize they might not stay fit and injury-free long enough to earn their veteran status and shot at being the designated team leader.

Perhaps the U23 jersey should be blood red. Save the white jersey to represent the brittle bones of the older riders. Get Centrum Silver to sponsor the U35 group.
canklecat is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 03:18 PM
  #12  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
In the previous ten years, I think only one other person met the qualifications for the white jersey in the Giro d'Italia and won the general classification. Or at least the white jersey as defined by the Giro today. Sometimes qualifications change.

So 2 out of ten isn't really much to say the new guys shouldn't have a jersey for themselves.
It is not, but worth watching as we see similar in the TdF. When my kid was racing I thought some of the kids (17-22) were as fast as the pros (at far shorter distances). They were. USA pro ITT won by a U23 (age 21) as well, the prior year USA Pro RR won by 21 year old. USA is hardly the measure, but it was worth noticing that there may be the start of a trend.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 03:22 PM
  #13  
Doge
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Doge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 10,091

Bikes: 1979 Raleigh Team 753

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3210 Post(s)
Liked 193 Times in 141 Posts
Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
...He's only 24 or 25, I think.
23 https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/egan-bernal

Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
...The era of the patron or boss is over and it's more of a free for all now....
I think that is a significant point. In the past many had to wait their turn. Not so much now.
Doge is offline  
Old 10-27-20, 04:02 PM
  #14  
slcbob
bored of "Senior Member"
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: MD / metro DC
Posts: 1,732

Bikes: Cross-Check/Nexus commuter. Several others for various forms of play.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 258 Post(s)
Liked 88 Times in 74 Posts
Kids grow up so fast.

Maybe the fastest oldest guy should get grey numbers.
slcbob is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.