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Old 07-02-21, 05:39 AM
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Should cyclists be allowed to block the path of others while racing?

Should cyclists be allowed to block the path of others while racing?

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Old 07-02-21, 05:48 AM
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Deliberate obstruction is already prohibited. What's your question?
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If you police the fans too much then you'll wind up with requirements that the ASO or other organizers put more barricades along the entire route and have more people everywhere to keep fans out of the way. That'll be a big drain to sponsor money, it'll mean less fans, less sponsor money, less less and less cycling as a professional sport.

And how is the fan being careless any worse than some of the subsequent crashes where the riders themselves were careless?

And you have to remember that the ASO is not a government that can make laws. At least the fans aren't pulling off the cyclists they don't like and beating them up, which once was a thing.
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Old 07-02-21, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
If you police the fans too much then you'll wind up with requirements that the ASO or other organizers put more barricades along the entire route and have more people everywhere to keep fans out of the way. That'll be a big drain to sponsor money, it'll mean less fans, less sponsor money, less less and less cycling as a professional sport.

And how is the fan being careless any worse than some of the subsequent crashes where the riders themselves were careless?

And you have to remember that the ASO is not a government that can make laws. At least the fans aren't pulling off the cyclists they don't like and beating them up, which once was a thing.
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Old 07-02-21, 09:25 AM
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The video is about Cav's line on the stage 6 finish not the spectator who took out the peloton on stage 1
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Old 07-02-21, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
wrong thread
Oops!

Yeah, I read the title wrong for sure. And typically I'm loathe to watch vids if the OP doesn't describe anything of their viewpoint about the vid.
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Old 07-02-21, 09:46 AM
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Nothing special about that sprint that doesn't happen in a whole lot of sprints.
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The video is worth a look if you like a good slow motion bunch sprint analysis.
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A couple of years ago there was a big hoopla about a rider, perhaps Segan doing the same thing. It is clear in the video above that while others were sprinting, one rider was forced to coast across the finish line.

Interesting commentary that the road lane markings didn't follow straight towards the finish line.

Perhaps what the race organizers should do is take some red paint, and paint about 10 straight lines towards the finish in the last 1/4 mile.

Of course that doesn't mean that riders won't move around as they jump from a draft to taking wind. Or, perhaps having to hunt for a hole when they move to the front.
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Old 07-02-21, 10:38 AM
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Ok, back in 2017...

The whole group moved from the left side of the road to the right side of the road, and a rider was bumped into the wall. And the infamous elbow.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Ok, back in 2017...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4atl-3Njwg

The whole group moved from the left side of the road to the right side of the road, and a rider was bumped into the wall. And the infamous elbow.
I remember looking very closely at that finish after it happened. It was messy. From what I saw, the "elbow" by Sagan was more likely a reaction to Cav next to him getting his brake hood inside Sagan's elbow, and Sagan was trying to get out of that contact by lifting his elbow. Cav got himself trapped, lost his ability to keep control of his bike, and paid the price.
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Sure didn't look like he was going straight, but, if that's how they're going to consistently call it, then they've gotta keep calling it that way.
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Gray at best. Cav was drifting some, but he made no obvious move to impede the Fenix riders. It would be overreach for the officials to step in.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Ok, back in 2017...
Wow! Cannot believe it was that long ago. If I had been asked to guess I would have picked 2019. Maybe 2018 at the very, very outside. Seems like just yesterday we discussing it in the Addiction thread in Road.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
And typically I'm loathe to watch vids if the OP doesn't describe anything of their viewpoint about the vid.
Not the first time for the OP.
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Nothing special about that sprint that doesn't happen in a whole lot of sprints.
Very true, still I wouldn't be proud of winning this way, that's for sure. It is an obvious obstruction.
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I think it is playing dirty. I think more people will get injured from this type of behavior in the future. I also believe there are riders looking for an opportunity for payback. That's what happens. They just need to make it look like it was unintentional.

I think race organizers should hand out penalties for this type of thing to stop it happening.
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I think it is playing dirty. I think more people will get injured from this type of behavior in the future. I also believe there are riders looking for an opportunity for payback. That's what happens. They just need to make it look like it was unintentional.

I think race organizers should hand out penalties for this type of thing to stop it happening.
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Very common tactic. If one of the Alpecin Fenix riders had crashed, then the race officials might have relegated Cav.
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Very true, still I wouldn't be proud of winning this way, that's for sure. It is an obvious obstruction.
You win one of the most prestigious races a bike racer can win, and youíre not proud because you played the game the way itís played at this level? Ridiculous. There was nothing unusual about this sprint. You should start paying attention to the banging and pushing that goes on before the sprint is even launched.
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
I think it is playing dirty. I think more people will get injured from this type of behavior in the future. I also believe there are riders looking for an opportunity for payback. That's what happens. They just need to make it look like it was unintentional.

I think race organizers should hand out penalties for this type of thing to stop it happening.
There’s nothing new or especially unusual in this sprint. Nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Wow! Cannot believe it was that long ago. If I had been asked to guess I would have picked 2019. Maybe 2018 at the very, very outside. Seems like just yesterday we discussing it in the Addiction thread in Road.
I think this was supposed to be his great come back after crashing in front of his mum the year before. Instead it put him back into the wilderness for the rest of a half decade.

As often as I screw up a year or so ago that is really 3 or 5 or 10, it has been a good long while without Cav at the top.

Heck, how long for Froome now? Is it 2018 last GT and 2019 crash, or am I missing a year?
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it's racing. Jockeying for position is a part of it. Contact is sometimes a part of it. I'm not saying anything goes, but racing in close quarters like that things happen
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