Floyd's Stage 17 was the equivalent of....
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Originally Posted by Eatadonut
Making it to the professional cycling world but not winning, getting cancer, and then becoming arguably the most dominant racer in history? No?
bah, ignore me. I'm just bitter because the recording I have of stage 17 cut to some stupid hosts talking for 10 minutes BOTH times that Floyd jumped ship from a group to launch forward.
bah, ignore me. I'm just bitter because the recording I have of stage 17 cut to some stupid hosts talking for 10 minutes BOTH times that Floyd jumped ship from a group to launch forward.
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It was the equivalent of Babe Ruth pointing to a spot in the outfield and hitting a home run there.
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Riding a bike may be easy enough but riding it well enough to be in the the TdF is amazing. What Landis did was epic.
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Originally Posted by marqueemoon
It was the equivalent of Babe Ruth pointing to a spot in the outfield and hitting a home run there.
I know the called shot is part of legend, but I'm convinved it is just that, legend. The guy who caught the game convinced me in one interview. He simply said that if Ruth did point to the outfield neither he nor the pitcher saw it, because if either of them had the next pitch (the one he hit out) would have been at Ruth's head. SOmehow I believe him.
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Originally Posted by Keith99
Are you saying Floyd winning stage 17 is just a story made up by a sportswriter?
I know the called shot is part of legend, but I'm convinved it is just that, legend. The guy who caught the game convinced me in one interview. He simply said that if Ruth did point to the outfield neither he nor the pitcher saw it, because if either of them had the next pitch (the one he hit out) would have been at Ruth's head. SOmehow I believe him.
I know the called shot is part of legend, but I'm convinved it is just that, legend. The guy who caught the game convinced me in one interview. He simply said that if Ruth did point to the outfield neither he nor the pitcher saw it, because if either of them had the next pitch (the one he hit out) would have been at Ruth's head. SOmehow I believe him.
Well true or false it's a heck of a legend.
Anyway, my point in making the comparison is that everyone in the peloton knew exactly what Floyd was doing and they were powerless to stop him.
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Originally Posted by ALPhillips
I say a football team scoring a touchdown on every possession.
what would you compare it to?
what would you compare it to?
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Originally Posted by marqueemoon
Well true or false it's a heck of a legend.
Anyway, my point in making the comparison is that everyone in the peloton knew exactly what Floyd was doing and they were powerless to stop him.
Anyway, my point in making the comparison is that everyone in the peloton knew exactly what Floyd was doing and they were powerless to stop him.
Floyd won, Ruth did hit a home run that day. But that the entire peleton could not pull Floyd back is just as much legend as the call of the home run.
I do see one difference however. Floyd should have faded on the final climb. He should have run out of gas, at least enough that he woul dneed an equally great TT in two days. I think even Floyd was a bit surprised at how much of his lead he kept on the final climb.
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Floyd's Stage 17 was the equivalent of....
.... Kerri Strug sticking a near perfect vault one footed with a busted ankle at the '96 Olympics sealing the gold for the U.S Womens Gymnastic Team.
.... Kerri Strug sticking a near perfect vault one footed with a busted ankle at the '96 Olympics sealing the gold for the U.S Womens Gymnastic Team.
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As I see it many of the equivalent ofs here just do not fit.
Floyds stage 17 was not just or even mainly a great ride. It was not even a great ride that was needed to win, e.g. without stage 17 stage 19 would have been worthless.
The thing that makes this stage 17 stand out is that on stage 16 Floyd totally lost it. So this is a Winner-lost it- winner story. Just gutsy perormances or comebacks do not make it.
To me the notorious Stanford band play comes the closest. It really miosses only on the sustained effort part.
Floyds stage 17 was not just or even mainly a great ride. It was not even a great ride that was needed to win, e.g. without stage 17 stage 19 would have been worthless.
The thing that makes this stage 17 stand out is that on stage 16 Floyd totally lost it. So this is a Winner-lost it- winner story. Just gutsy perormances or comebacks do not make it.
To me the notorious Stanford band play comes the closest. It really miosses only on the sustained effort part.
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Originally Posted by la_raza
Very well explained, cbip. I just don't understand the elitism and snob attitude that people here have with cycling over everything else. I'm sure there are other people who ride a bike AND play golf, and are happy doing either.
Whatever sport or activity you choose to engage in, if it makes you happy and confers some degree of fitness or relaxation or passion, then great. But why bust on other peoples' choice of hobby/diversion with dumb statements like 'giving blood is harder than golf'? The only thing that proves (besides ignorance) is that you're insecure about your own choice of recreational activity...
Whatever sport or activity you choose to engage in, if it makes you happy and confers some degree of fitness or relaxation or passion, then great. But why bust on other peoples' choice of hobby/diversion with dumb statements like 'giving blood is harder than golf'? The only thing that proves (besides ignorance) is that you're insecure about your own choice of recreational activity...
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Originally Posted by wagathon
Is it OK if instead of calling you an idiot that I think your analysis is dumb, or do run to the Mod squad again? When you say something idiotic about cyclists participate by using donated blood, you're just being sarcastic. Right? I get that now.
If you think MY analysis is dumb, that's fine. All I said was that glorifying cycling and bashing on other sports that others here may participate in is lame, and it is. Donating blood is harder than golf? You've obviously never played, and you appear to be way too closed-minded, ignorant, or a combination of both to try.
I'm glad you 'get it now'. See? You're capable of learning something. Took you long enough, though
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Originally Posted by Karlotta
TH's gold at Athens?
...assuming the aligations turn out to be true.
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Originally Posted by EURO
...Ben Johnson's gold at the Seoul Olympics?
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Originally Posted by la_raza
Hey, you're the one who took what I intended to be a sarcastic reply as a serious one, and then required an explicit explanation from me regarding that fact. It's not MY fault that you can't recognize sarcasm when you read it. Funny how nobody else participating in this thread seemed to have that problem, eh? And then getting slapped down by a mod for violating forum rules must have really bruised your ego...
If you think MY analysis is dumb, that's fine. All I said was that glorifying cycling and bashing on other sports that others here may participate in is lame, and it is. Donating blood is harder than golf? You've obviously never played, and you appear to be way too closed-minded, ignorant, or a combination of both to try.
I'm glad you 'get it now'. See? You're capable of learning something. Took you long enough, though
If you think MY analysis is dumb, that's fine. All I said was that glorifying cycling and bashing on other sports that others here may participate in is lame, and it is. Donating blood is harder than golf? You've obviously never played, and you appear to be way too closed-minded, ignorant, or a combination of both to try.
I'm glad you 'get it now'. See? You're capable of learning something. Took you long enough, though
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Stage 17 was the equivalent of . . . .
charging directly a hail of bullets, many striking you in the torso and some in the head, and still reaching the cops that were shooting at you, able to take one of them down.
Oh, and you were cranked up on angel dust and died shortly thereafter.
charging directly a hail of bullets, many striking you in the torso and some in the head, and still reaching the cops that were shooting at you, able to take one of them down.
Oh, and you were cranked up on angel dust and died shortly thereafter.
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Giving blood harder than golf? Maybe if you're scared of needles.
cbip hit it right on the head. Every sport requires vastly different qualities, and none are better than any other. IMO, it's exactly these inequalities that makes different sports so unique and interesting to try.
Belittling other sports (on BF, golf seems to be the #1 target) is the wrong way to go about getting more respect for cycling. Why not spend that time explaining to people from other sports the beauty and intricacies of cycling instead?
cbip hit it right on the head. Every sport requires vastly different qualities, and none are better than any other. IMO, it's exactly these inequalities that makes different sports so unique and interesting to try.
Belittling other sports (on BF, golf seems to be the #1 target) is the wrong way to go about getting more respect for cycling. Why not spend that time explaining to people from other sports the beauty and intricacies of cycling instead?
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Originally Posted by wagathon
I have learned that you create insipid strawman arguments, make desultory statements, call others ridiculous and dumb--now, close-minded and ignorant--after you cried to the Mod Squad when someone calls you on an obviously idiotic statement, which you now excuse as simple sarcasm.
If golf is so easy, why aren't you out on the pro tour making the big bucks, hmm? Come on, quit making excuses and back up your statements, or get lost.
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Originally Posted by air-phil
Giving blood harder than golf? Maybe if you're scared of needles.
cbip hit it right on the head. Every sport requires vastly different qualities, and none are better than any other. IMO, it's exactly these inequalities that makes different sports so unique and interesting to try.
Belittling other sports (on BF, golf seems to be the #1 target) is the wrong way to go about getting more respect for cycling. Why not spend that time explaining to people from other sports the beauty and intricacies of cycling instead?
cbip hit it right on the head. Every sport requires vastly different qualities, and none are better than any other. IMO, it's exactly these inequalities that makes different sports so unique and interesting to try.
Belittling other sports (on BF, golf seems to be the #1 target) is the wrong way to go about getting more respect for cycling. Why not spend that time explaining to people from other sports the beauty and intricacies of cycling instead?
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Originally Posted by la_raza
Good luck trying to get through to Mr. Wagathon here. He/she/it refuses to discuss things rationally and instead chooses the ignorant/namecalling route.
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Originally Posted by wagathon
Pitiful (s)he/it la_raza: you said cyclists take the blood of others to compete and then layed the comment off as sarcasm because it made you look stupid.
Funny how YOU are the only one in this thread busting about MY sarcastic comment, yet there are multiple people here commenting on how useless/dumb/ignorant statements like YOURS are. It's also interesting that you continually obsess about this point without bringing up anything else - it's pretty obvious you have nothing useful to say to defend your original statement.
And by the way, your response proved my point nicely. Instead of responding to air-phil's points, you go back to attacking me. Like I said - you refuse to defend yourself. So be it.
Obfuscation seems to be the only skill you really have mastered well. Call the Mod Squad and tell them I called you a obfuscator too.
Last edited by la_raza; 07-27-06 at 05:40 PM.