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Old 08-09-06, 05:52 PM
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Given the smear campaign against Landis before he's even had a hearing and been found in violation of the Anti-Doping Rules, LeFevre should be hoping he doesn't end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit.
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Old 08-09-06, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
Given the smear campaign against Landis before he's even had a hearing and been found in violation of the Anti-Doping Rules, LeFevre should be hoping he doesn't end up on the wrong end of a lawsuit.
I am sure he's much more comfortable with Johan Museeuw a convicted doper in Belgium for drug trafficking and serving a suspension in the team car as DS than Floyd Landis.
What a subhuman piece of crap Lefevre is to say something like that when Museeuw is one of the biggest dopers around and Lefevre probably gave him and VandenBroucke the shots himself.
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Old 08-16-06, 01:02 PM
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The only thing more obvious than Landis being a busted doper cheater is that the French are goatsuckers.
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Old 08-18-06, 06:09 AM
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Old 09-26-06, 11:31 AM
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Then somehow a Spaniard (who at one point was down by like 30 minutes) places second overall in GC. I’m sure Spain was pumped about that, but they surely wanted that yellow jersey. If only they could start up a ruckus about Floyd taking extra testosterone… bam! Pereiro becomes the champion. Coincidence???

And did you ever think about this - Floyd made up about 11 minutes after bonking, but Pereiro was able to make up an almost 30 minute deficit earlier in the race! Hmm…

I really wonder if we are dealing with actual doping or a much bigger problem - sore losers and corrupt officials. So until they can prove that all these drug tests are unbiased and unflawed, I’m sticking with Floyd!

I'm sorry, but this argument is plain stupid.

If only they could start up a ruckus about Floyd taking extra testosterone… bam!
Isn't "bam!" leaving out a few details? Reminds me of a cartoon...



And as far as comparing Pereiro's 30 minutes to Floyd's 11 minutes... that's ridiculous. This guy should know better. When Pereiro made up that time no one said "unbelievable" or expressed any kind of a surprise. It was a standard gain in time by a normal breakaway. People argued about whether the peloton should allow that to happen, but no one was surprised by anything that Pereiro did. After all, he was with a bunch of guys (or at least one - I forget), who were doing the same thing.

But during Floyd's breakaway... that was entirely different. I, for one, stood up from my chair and never sat down. I was jumping up and down for hours. It was unbelievable. The commentators couldn't believe it.

Anyone who muddles those two points loses credibility with me.
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Old 09-26-06, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
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But during Floyd's breakaway... that was entirely different. I, for one, stood up from my chair and never sat down. I was jumping up and down for hours. It was unbelievable. The commentators couldn't believe it.
But if you look at the numbers Floyd's break away and ride that day weren't superhuman or even close to it. He actually road faster on other days during the tour. What happened was Landis had good strategy and made use of his power meter so he could ride near his full potential without bonking again. But not only that, the other riders gave Floyd that 9 minutes by not challenging him. How many people did he pass who just watched him ride past? It wasn't some great feat by Landis that made up that time.

Yeah, it looked spectacular but really wasn't.
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Old 09-27-06, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kenny!
But if you look at the numbers Floyd's break away and ride that day weren't superhuman or even close to it. He actually road faster on other days during the tour. What happened was Landis had good strategy and made use of his power meter so he could ride near his full potential without bonking again. But not only that, the other riders gave Floyd that 9 minutes by not challenging him. How many people did he pass who just watched him ride past? It wasn't some great feat by Landis that made up that time.

Yeah, it looked spectacular but really wasn't.
That Floyd's spectacular ride was "normal" and nothing really spectacular or amazing is certainly part of the spin. Are you really buying it? This claim was coincidentally made only after Floyd was accused of cheating. Not a hint of it before the accusations were made. Hmm... More on that below.

But, my main point is that it's disingenuous for anyone who has the clue to know better to write something that implies there is something suspicious with Pereiro making up that 30 minutes. It's blatant throwing cr@p out there to see where it will stick, who will buy it... a cheap shot to give those who don't have a clue reason to believe in Floyd.

Those of us who do have a clue shouldn't stand for it.

As far as Floyd's ride goes, yeah, he and his publicity team have thrown a bunch of spin out there claiming how "normal" of a ride it was for him, but they conveniently forget to mention that what might be "normal" during a training ride is not necessarily "normal" during the 3rd week of the Tour. Besides, he can tweak or even flat out lie about his power meter results. But most revealing is what the other pro riders said on the day of the event:


Stuart O'Grady: " But wow that ride of Landis! I’ve never seen a ride like that. It’s beyond words - it was awesome. I was feeling good and in the break we were doing 58 km/h [edit - 36 MPH] on the flat and he caught us. I mean that was something that I haven’t ever seen before."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/20.../?id=stuey0617

Cadel Evans: "When Floyd went, I just thought 'what the hell is he doing?'," the Davitamon-Lotto racer said. "It tactically didn't seem like a sensible thing to do, but I didn't know he had the legs like that... nobody did! He went so fast from the start, he rode the whole peloton off his wheels! Nobody could follow."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul06/jul22news

Patrick Sinkewitz: I just thought that he must have had a motor hidden somewhere!" the 2004 Deutschland Tour winner said. "Usually, when you're on somebody's wheel, you can spare some energy - but I just couldn't yesterday. I was constantly in the red. The other riders couldn't follow him, either. He was just extremely fast." ... "Maybe they would have raced the first climb faster, but then there wouldn't have been any riders left to hold that pace afterwards," explained Sinkewitz. "That wouldn't have made a difference."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul06/jul22news

Chris Horner: "It was epic!," he summed it up. "It was just legendary. Everybody was chasing yesterday. People have said 'T-Mobile should have worked sooner' - but no one could have worked any sooner! We were going as fast as we possibly could! And if we would have been any faster on the climb, there would have been no T-Mobile guys left!

"The only place T-Mobile could have done any work is when they did: through the valley, when they made up some time on Floyd. That was the only place you could go fast. The T-Mobile guys were stuffed just like anyone else. The pace the Caisse d'Epargnes [edit - the team of Oscar Pereiro, maillot jaune ] set up in the climb was the fastest we could go."

Horner did evoke one last eventuality to counter Landis' move, but discarded it right away: "One possibility would have been for the Top 10 GC guys to all work together at a 100 percent, and that's it," he said. "But that has never happened in the Tour, and it's never happened in any other race I've done before - and it never will. It was an epic scenario, which I've never seen in my entire career!"

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul06/jul22news


Hmmm....

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Old 09-27-06, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kenny!
But if you look at the numbers Floyd's break away and ride that day weren't superhuman or even close to it. He actually road faster on other days during the tour. What happened was Landis had good strategy and made use of his power meter so he could ride near his full potential without bonking again. But not only that, the other riders gave Floyd that 9 minutes by not challenging him. How many people did he pass who just watched him ride past? It wasn't some great feat by Landis that made up that time.

Yeah, it looked spectacular but really wasn't.
I hear this all the time, and I am not being sarcastic when I ask you, what does constitute a great break away ride? (Ok, just a bit of irony... So it doesn't count as great unless every other guy on the course is going ballsout to chase you down and can't? Should time trialing be the only race that measures a great ride? I confess profound ignorance about the subtleties of racing, but hell, I think I know enough to see a great achievement when I see one, and assuming for the moment that it was unaided by PED's, just like all the other guy's that were chasing him, right, then I was pretty impressed by it?
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Old 09-27-06, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
As far as Floyd's ride goes, yeah, he and his publicity team have thrown a bunch of spin out there claiming how "normal" of a ride it was for him, but they conveniently forget to mention that what might be "normal" during a training ride is not necessarily "normal" during the 3rd week of the Tour. Besides, he can tweak or even flat out lie about his power meter results. But most revealing is what the other pro riders said on the day of the event:


Hmmm....
Wow! Like...totally diggin' the raw paranoia.... I used to think the drama of watching sporting events was to watch someone or some team do something that had never been done before, turns out all along I was wrong, I should only use the unusual, the spectacular and the memorable as evidence of some sort of hank panky or nefarious activity. And the poster presents compliments from his competitors as exhibit A...

Incredible....

And to ice the cake, anyone who thinks it is anything other than an obviously ped fueled achievement is disparaged!!
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Old 09-27-06, 03:50 PM
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I think he cheated, but not with drugs. I think he took advantage of the rule that allows solo breakaway riders to have their team car alongside for waterbottle handups. You know how they hand up bottles from the car, right? You get a little push each time. How many bottle did Floyd take? 78? He only ingested about half of them anyway. That's 78 times he got a little help. That'll make a difference. All Floyd had to do is go 110% up the first climb to get away. While other riders were looking at him and thinking,'he'll never be able to maitain that pace the whole way, so I'll drop back.', Floyd wasn't planning to hold that pace the whole way. He just needed to get away so he could get the team car alongside and take advantage of the bottle handups.

I think the French were a little pissed about this since there's no rule against it and retaliated by altering the drug tests since they control the lab. I wonder if next year they'll introduce a new rule limiting the number of bottle handups?

BTW don't take this post too seriously, I'm offering it half in jest.
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Old 09-27-06, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ggusta
Wow! Like...totally diggin' the raw paranoia.... I used to think the drama of watching sporting events was to watch someone or some team do something that had never been done before, turns out all along I was wrong, I should only use the unusual, the spectacular and the memorable as evidence of some sort of hank panky or nefarious activity. And the poster presents compliments from his competitors as exhibit A...

Incredible....

And to ice the cake, anyone who thinks it is anything other than an obviously ped fueled achievement is disparaged!!
You're not reading what I wrote.

I never said his ride was evidence of him doping.

I said their attempts to downplay the remarkableness of his ride is disingenuous. What that implies to you is up to you.

All I'm saying is, when they resort to ridiculous statements like this:

Floyd made up about 11 minutes after bonking, but Pereiro was able to make up an almost 30 minute deficit earlier in the race! Hmm…

I get suspicious. Hmm... indeed.
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Old 09-27-06, 06:59 PM
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I should only use the unusual, the spectacular and the memorable as evidence of some sort of hank panky or nefarious activity.
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Congrats. I think you're catching on now. Welcome to the new millenium. Sports are so uninteresting these days.
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Old 12-28-06, 01:06 PM
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Go against God and see the vile results...
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I think that Floyd was the strongest rider this year. I think he is innocent. I think he overtrained for years and for that reason didn't win as often in the past. He has been tested to have a higher VOmax than Lance. So he has the genes. Perhaps should have been winning more than he did in the past.

Some riders respond better to shorter but more intense training. I think that Floyd is this type of a rider. Five hours training at higher intensity is what he had been doing for the past year and as a result he was winning more. This compared to the eight or nine hour days of the past.

I think he was trying to be a little too careful to protect his overall lead and this style of racing eventually back fired for him. He was being smart but a little too much like Armstrong. Also, while capable of very hard workouts he may be less tolerant of high temperatures so keeping cool allowed him to put in a very hard effort on the day of his proclaimed miracle ride.

He had blown his lead by riding too conservatively which worked for only so long.

The Tour de France organizers are trying to destroy him because they are being bad sports. What, losing eight years in a row is tough for them when this race is the most important thing for them.

The circumstantial and historical evidence against the lab is stronger than against Landis. If he was really doping he would show a trend of failed tests and from various labs.

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Interview with Floyd Landis. On the CBC news program "The National" a couple nights ago night, they did a piece on cycling and drugs that included interviews with Floyd Landis and Frankie Andreau. This is Frankie's only interview about the Lance "hospital incident." Apparently he turned down 60 Minutes but said yes to the CBC.

The videos and several other stories seen at Cycle of denial:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/landis/
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Originally Posted by Deej
Interview with Floyd Landis. On the CBC news program "The National" a couple nights ago night, they did a piece on cycling and drugs that included interviews with Floyd Landis and Frankie Andreau. This is Frankie's only interview about the Lance "hospital incident." Apparently he turned down 60 Minutes but said yes to the CBC.

The videos and several other stories seen at Cycle of denial:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/landis/

I love the part when he asserts that the whole affair did not damage cycling. It comes shinning through like the sun in the Sahara at noon that the guy is really nothing more than a pathological liar. Can someone shut this guy up, for the love of cycling!
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