Allez Levi Leipheimer
#1
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Allez Levi Leipheimer
He's the next American Tour Winner-hopeful-guy! Well I guess with flandis suspended facing a hip operation even if he beats the rap, Hincapie going back to being a classics contender (his true calling anyway), Tyler Hamilton eyeing a possible life ban, Saul Raisin busy learning to tie his shoes again (brain injuries totally suck, poor guy), and Tom Danielson looking at his first Tour in 2007, Levi is all we got left. Much love Levi!
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: silicon valley
Posts: 1,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
He's the next American Tour Winner-hopeful-guy! Well I guess with flandis suspended facing a hip operation even if he beats the rap, Hincapie going back to being a classics contender (his true calling anyway), Tyler Hamilton eyeing a possible life ban, Saul Raisin busy learning to tie his shoes again (brain injuries totally suck, poor guy), and Tom Danielson looking at his first Tour in 2007, Levi is all we got left. Much love Levi!
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
ed rader
#3
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by erader
levi will never win the tour. he's not good enough and has too many bad days. he's exciting to watch ike claudio chiapucci but just can't put it all together.
ed rader
ed rader
But yeah he has had too many bad days. But don't forget this year I think he took his best shot in June at the Dauphine, becuase he needed to get himself something assured, and I don't think he though he had a real chance at the tour with Basso and Ully set to line up, then everything changed...maybe being with Disco next year they'll encourage him to level all guns at the Tour.
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 349
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
Yeah well these days you never know. Nobody thought Pereiro could win. But I think your comparison of him to Chiapucci is interesting and it has some validity. At this point though Chiapucchi had a lot more success than Levi has.
But yeah he has had too many bad days. But don't forget this year I think he took his best shot in June at the Dauphine, becuase he needed to get himself something assured, and I don't think he though he had a real chance at the tour with Basso and Ully set to line up, then everything changed...maybe being with Disco next year they'll encourage him to level all guns at the Tour.
But yeah he has had too many bad days. But don't forget this year I think he took his best shot in June at the Dauphine, becuase he needed to get himself something assured, and I don't think he though he had a real chance at the tour with Basso and Ully set to line up, then everything changed...maybe being with Disco next year they'll encourage him to level all guns at the Tour.
#5
Custom User TItle
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by 1slowbastard
Riding for Disco isn't going to change things much for Levi. He is good enough for the top ten, but will never win the Tour.
Maybe I'm just dreaming.
#6
Lance Hater
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4,403
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by a_fire_inside
I'm not so sure abou that. I know Levi has been a top 10 rider for the last few years, but next year he will have a team that can drop the hammer. .
Rabobank had a much better TDF this year than Discovery did.
#7
ride, paint, ride
Originally Posted by erader
levi will never win the tour. he's not good enough and has too many bad days. he's exciting to watch ike claudio chiapucci but just can't put it all together.
ed rader
ed rader
scroll down to mid-page
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l06/jul06news4
#8
-----
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Présilly - France
Posts: 171
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
He's the next American Tour Winner-hopeful-guy! Well I guess with flandis suspended facing a hip operation even if he beats the rap, Hincapie going back to being a classics contender (his true calling anyway), Tyler Hamilton eyeing a possible life ban, Saul Raisin busy learning to tie his shoes again (brain injuries totally suck, poor guy), and Tom Danielson looking at his first Tour in 2007, Levi is all we got left. Much love Levi!
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
And we've got some guys who can pull of stage wins, times have been worse.
So, while Euro wishing the mainstream American's a good day on the lake or the links may be true for the masses, at least the good ole USA's faithful still have some guys to root for.
If Leipheimer is the best American rider, than the USA may have a short drought of top ten finishers. Unlike the "Euros" who had 7 of the top ten, including 2 Frenchman. Also including several stage wins by "euros" and 2 by Frenchman.
I personally like American riders. But you seem to be ignorant about europeans and particularly of what it takes to race as a pro.
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: silicon valley
Posts: 1,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by a_fire_inside
I'm not so sure abou that. I know Levi has been a top 10 rider for the last few years, but next year he will have a team that can drop the hammer. Gerolsteiner and Rabobank are no DIscovery. We may be surprised.
Maybe I'm just dreaming.
Maybe I'm just dreaming.
ed rader
#10
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by rgerve
If Leipheimer is the best American rider, than the USA may have a short drought of top ten finishers. Unlike the "Euros" who had 7 of the top ten, including 2 Frenchman. Also including several stage wins by "euros" and 2 by Frenchman.
I personally like American riders. But you seem to be ignorant about europeans and particularly of what it takes to race as a pro.
I personally like American riders. But you seem to be ignorant about europeans and particularly of what it takes to race as a pro.
This post for me was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because while Levi is nothing to sneeze at, he doesn't exactly inspire fear, does he?
Debateable whether Mechov is a Euro or not, Zubeldia and Pereiro from Spain, with Sastre. Throw in Aussie Cadel Evans and you have your top ten.
I mean really what you see is that none of those guys are perfect, none of them are infallible, they all have shown weakness and have had bad days.
I'd love to be a bookmaker these days because it is going to get awful hard to make picks next year. NO safe bets.
#11
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by erader
i think the first TT was a tell for levi. your team can't help you in the race of truth .
ed rader
ed rader
But just becuase he didn't peak for the Tour I'm not saying he woulda-coulda-shoulda won, just saying he didn't line up with the right stuff to be competitive this year. Perhaps Disco will let him put all his eggs in the Tour basket next year - it'll be fun to see if that changes him.
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: silicon valley
Posts: 1,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
Levi is a weak time trialist on some courses. But he has done some top five time trials in stage races. This year I really, really think that he psyched himself out of the Tour before the race started, and when Basso and Ulrich got kicked out, he had already lost the race becuase, as he admitted as the race started, his training was off-line. Basically he pulled a Mayo ('04 Dauphine winner), only it wasn't quite as bad.
But just becuase he didn't peak for the Tour I'm not saying he woulda-coulda-shoulda won, just saying he didn't line up with the right stuff to be competitive this year. Perhaps Disco will let him put all his eggs in the Tour basket next year - it'll be fun to see if that changes him.
But just becuase he didn't peak for the Tour I'm not saying he woulda-coulda-shoulda won, just saying he didn't line up with the right stuff to be competitive this year. Perhaps Disco will let him put all his eggs in the Tour basket next year - it'll be fun to see if that changes him.
ed rader
#13
My toilet-Floyd's future
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,776
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
Nobody thought Pereiro could win.
__________________
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 152
Bikes: Two Fishers and one Cannondale
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Levi excels at shorter stage races. Tour of Germany, Dauphine and a good showing at the tour of Swiss. There's nothing wrong with that. It shows that he is a very strong rider, but a 3 week tour will always be out of his grasp.
On Team Discovery, I would go with Popo.
On Team Discovery, I would go with Popo.
#15
Banned.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 13,075
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by G. Bucci
Levi excels at shorter stage races. Tour of Germany, Dauphine and a good showing at the tour of Swiss. There's nothing wrong with that. It shows that he is a very strong rider, but a 3 week tour will always be out of his grasp.
I wouldn't bet a lot of money on him winning, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. With the help of Lance, Bruyneel and the whole Disco organization, it could definitely happen.
#16
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by EURO
Let's keep out fingers crossed that Levi wins by three major contenders being removed due to drug scandals and being gifted 30 mins in a tactical error! Go Levi!
Yeah but my point still carries don't you think? The Tour is a really race-type-race now, not this super-controlled (no pun intended) kind of race that we saw in the Lance Armstrong era.
While I wouldn't characterize him as a favorite, he is a solid outsider who can't be ruled out in this era.
TdG *SPOILER** (kind-of)
I've enjoyed watching him in the Tour of Germany on cycling dot tv, also Jens Voight, a rider I like very much. Will be fun to see the ITT tomorrow.
#17
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by rgerve
Unlike the "Euros" who had 7 of the top ten, including 2 Frenchman. Also including several stage wins by "euros" and 2 by Frenchman.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?.../tourdelain061
Nice to see him confirm his good ride in the Tour. Still has to be able to tt though...
#18
Professional Fuss-Budget
Originally Posted by flythebike
I may have spoken too soon about Cyril Dessel?
Also Cunego put on a damned fine performance this year. I doubt he'll take the MJ in 2007 but he looks like a strong contender down the road.
How you can root for a guy who looks like an accountant, though, is beyond me....
#19
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bacciagalupe
How you can root for a guy who looks like an accountant, though, is beyond me....
I'll tell you one thing though, for a bland looking guy, his wife is smokin': https://www.tourofthegila.com/pics/2k...SSA%20GUNN.jpg
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...ssa_glam.shtml
He should let the rest of us see what she sees in him - the real person.
#20
-----
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Présilly - France
Posts: 171
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
you really think Christophe Moreau is the next Yellow Jersey?
#21
Wher'd u Get That Jacket?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Somewhere in the Tubes
Posts: 1,317
Bikes: Calfee Dragonfly, Lemond Poprad, Airborne Manhatten Project, Calfee Luna Fixie
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by rgerve
Perhaps or Cyril Dessel - or someone else.
#22
-----
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Présilly - France
Posts: 171
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
I suppose he has about as much chance as Leipheimer...or anybody else for that matter.
Except that Leipheimer is too old and Disco seems to not have a clear direction for next year.
#23
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 111
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by flythebike
Could be worse, I could be French or Belgian, English or Italian, those guys don't really seem to have any contenders at all.
#24
Professional Fuss-Budget
Originally Posted by sweetjt
Yeah, it must really suck to have nothing but Tom Boonen to root for. The Belgians must be so miserable with nothing but a world champion.
Not to mention he bombed out in mid-Tour, leaving Axel as the highest-ranking Belgian.... at 31st (soon 30th) place. It's a far cry from the days of the Cannibal.
#25
My toilet-Floyd's future
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,776
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by sweetjt
Yeah, it must really suck to have nothing but Tom Boonen to root for. The Belgians must be so miserable with nothing but a world champion.
The Belgians don't give a crap about the tour. Really.
__________________