Tour question
07-05-07, 05:10 PM
#1
Stop It!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 202
Bikes: Ferrari, Euro sport, Wheeler.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Tour question
What is the name given to the guy that finishes in last place?
07-05-07, 05:18 PM
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hampton Roads VA
Posts: 1,787
Bikes: '07 Trek 520, '09 Gary Fisher Triton, '04 Trek 8000, '85 Trek 500, '84 Trek 610, '85 Trek 510, '88 Trek 660, '92 Trek 930, Trek Multitrack 700
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
What ever is French for "red lantern", as in the last light you see as a caboose passes.
Google language translater says "lanterne rouge."
Google language translater says "lanterne rouge."
07-05-07, 07:48 PM
#4
Descends Like Avalanche
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Somewhere between Funkytown and Margaritaville, PA
Posts: 5,769
Bikes: Lynskey R240, Sportive, and a Helix Sport disc model in the works; Eddy Merckx MX Leader; Specialized Rock Hopper Comp (1988!)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
"Winner", after all the doping tests are completed.
__________________
The rider in my avatar is David Etxebarria, not me.
07-05-07, 11:42 PM
#5
Ride simple.
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Colorado Mountains/New Mexico highlands
Posts: 381
Bikes: vitus 979, g fisher, specialized, trek, bridgestone rb1, Trek SS, Hiawatha SS, 54' Schwinn SS, Trek SS CX conversion
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by HigherGround
"Winner", after all the doping tests are completed.
07-06-07, 12:29 AM
#6
Je pose, donc je suis.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Odense, Denmark
Posts: 1,463
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Matt888
What is the name given to the guy that finishes in last place?
07-06-07, 08:18 AM
#7
My Name is Nobody
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 314
Bikes: Marin, Peugeot, My Grandmother's Bike
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
A bit off topic, but in the 70/80's , being the lanterne rouge was an honour as that guy would be invited to rewarding "after Tour criterium races". During the last stage he would race with a red lantern hanging off his bike. So you would hear of the last and 2nd last playing hide and seek under tunnels in order to get lost deliberately by the peloton. That's when they introduced first elimination times in stages, then even a system (can't remember the year) whereby every day the last rider in the GC was elminated.
07-06-07, 10:59 AM
#8
Señor Member
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hardy, VA
Posts: 17,925
Bikes: Mostly English - predominantly Raleighs
Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1491 Post(s)
Liked 1,093 Times
in
640 Posts
Originally Posted by adamastor
A bit off topic, but in the 70/80's , being the lanterne rouge was an honour as that guy would be invited to rewarding "after Tour criterium races". During the last stage he would race with a red lantern hanging off his bike. So you would hear of the last and 2nd last playing hide and seek under tunnels in order to get lost deliberately by the peloton. That's when they introduced first elimination times in stages, then even a system (can't remember the year) whereby every day the last rider in the GC was elminated.
__________________
In search of what to search for.
In search of what to search for.
07-06-07, 05:11 PM
#9
My Name is Nobody
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 314
Bikes: Marin, Peugeot, My Grandmother's Bike
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by botto
the gist of your information is correct, but the dates are all off.
lanterne rouges became popular in the post-war era, not just the 70s/80s.
the time cuts came long, long before the 70/80s.
the last one to finish got cut system existed in the early days of the tour, when the winner won on points, not time.
fwiw, here's a list of all of the Lanterne Rouge riders in the history of the Tour.
1903 Arséne Millocheau
1904 Antoine Deflotriere
1905 Clovis Lacroix
1906 Georges Bronchard
1907 Albert Chartier
1908 Henri Anthoine
1909 Geroges Devilly
1910 Constant Collet
1911 Lucien Roquebert
1912 Maurice Dartigue
1913 Henri Alavoine
1914 Henri Leclerc
1919 Jules Nempon
1920 Charles Raboisson
1921 Henri Catelan
1922 Daniel Masson
1923 Daniel Masson
1924 Victor Lafosse
1925 Fernand Besnier
1926 André Drobecq
1927 Jacques Pfister
1928 Edouard Persin
1929 André Leger
1930 Marcel Ilpide
1931 Richard Lamb
1932 Rudolf Risch
1933 Ernest Neuhard
1934 Antonio Folco
1935 Willi Kutschbach
1936 Aldo Bertocco
1937 Aloïs Klensch
1938 Janus Hellemons
1939 Armand Le Moal
1947 Pietro Tarchini
1948 Vittorio Seghezzi
1949 Guido De Santi
1950 Fritz Zbinden
1951 Abd el Kader Zaaf
1952 Henri Paret
1953 Claude Rouer
1954 Marcel Dierkens
1955 Tony Hoar
1956 Roger Chaussabel
1957 Guy Million
1958 Walter Favre
1959 Louis Bisilliat
1960 José Berrendero
1961 André Geneste
1962 Augusto Marcaletti
1963 Willy Derboven
1964 Anatole Novak
1965 Joseph Groussard
1966 Paolo Mannucci
1967 Jean-Pierre Genet
1968 John Clarey
1969 André Wilhelm
1970 Frits Hoogerheide
1971 Georges Chappe
1972 Alain Bellouis
1973 Jacques Hochart
1974 Lorenzo Alaimo
1975 Jacques Boulas
1976 Aad van den Hoek
1977 Roger Loysch
1978 Philippe Tesnière
1979 Gerhard Schönbacher
1980 Gerhard Schonbacher
1981 Faustino Cuelli
1982 Werner Devos
1983 Marcel Laurens
1984 Gilbert Glaus
1985 Mario Ronchiato
1986 Ennio Salvador
1987 Mathieu Hermans
1988 Dirk Wayenberg
1989 Mathieu Hermans
1990 Rodolfo Massi
1991 Rob Harmeling
1992 Fernando Quevedo
1993 Edwig Van Hooydonck
1994 John Talen
1995 Bruno Cornillet
1996 Jean-Luc Masdupuy
1997 Philippe Gaumont
1998 Damien Nazon
1999 Jacky Durand
2000 Olivier Perraudeau
2001 Jimmy Casper
2002 Iker Flores
2003 Hans De Clercq
2004 Jimmy Casper
2005 Iker Flores
2006 Wim Vansevenant
lanterne rouges became popular in the post-war era, not just the 70s/80s.
the time cuts came long, long before the 70/80s.
the last one to finish got cut system existed in the early days of the tour, when the winner won on points, not time.
fwiw, here's a list of all of the Lanterne Rouge riders in the history of the Tour.
1903 Arséne Millocheau
1904 Antoine Deflotriere
1905 Clovis Lacroix
1906 Georges Bronchard
1907 Albert Chartier
1908 Henri Anthoine
1909 Geroges Devilly
1910 Constant Collet
1911 Lucien Roquebert
1912 Maurice Dartigue
1913 Henri Alavoine
1914 Henri Leclerc
1919 Jules Nempon
1920 Charles Raboisson
1921 Henri Catelan
1922 Daniel Masson
1923 Daniel Masson
1924 Victor Lafosse
1925 Fernand Besnier
1926 André Drobecq
1927 Jacques Pfister
1928 Edouard Persin
1929 André Leger
1930 Marcel Ilpide
1931 Richard Lamb
1932 Rudolf Risch
1933 Ernest Neuhard
1934 Antonio Folco
1935 Willi Kutschbach
1936 Aldo Bertocco
1937 Aloïs Klensch
1938 Janus Hellemons
1939 Armand Le Moal
1947 Pietro Tarchini
1948 Vittorio Seghezzi
1949 Guido De Santi
1950 Fritz Zbinden
1951 Abd el Kader Zaaf
1952 Henri Paret
1953 Claude Rouer
1954 Marcel Dierkens
1955 Tony Hoar
1956 Roger Chaussabel
1957 Guy Million
1958 Walter Favre
1959 Louis Bisilliat
1960 José Berrendero
1961 André Geneste
1962 Augusto Marcaletti
1963 Willy Derboven
1964 Anatole Novak
1965 Joseph Groussard
1966 Paolo Mannucci
1967 Jean-Pierre Genet
1968 John Clarey
1969 André Wilhelm
1970 Frits Hoogerheide
1971 Georges Chappe
1972 Alain Bellouis
1973 Jacques Hochart
1974 Lorenzo Alaimo
1975 Jacques Boulas
1976 Aad van den Hoek
1977 Roger Loysch
1978 Philippe Tesnière
1979 Gerhard Schönbacher
1980 Gerhard Schonbacher
1981 Faustino Cuelli
1982 Werner Devos
1983 Marcel Laurens
1984 Gilbert Glaus
1985 Mario Ronchiato
1986 Ennio Salvador
1987 Mathieu Hermans
1988 Dirk Wayenberg
1989 Mathieu Hermans
1990 Rodolfo Massi
1991 Rob Harmeling
1992 Fernando Quevedo
1993 Edwig Van Hooydonck
1994 John Talen
1995 Bruno Cornillet
1996 Jean-Luc Masdupuy
1997 Philippe Gaumont
1998 Damien Nazon
1999 Jacky Durand
2000 Olivier Perraudeau
2001 Jimmy Casper
2002 Iker Flores
2003 Hans De Clercq
2004 Jimmy Casper
2005 Iker Flores
2006 Wim Vansevenant
07-07-07, 01:18 PM
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,866
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times
in
2 Posts
I'm sure some reading this thread are fairly new and one thing has not been made quite as clear as it could be. The lanterne rouge is for the last FINISHER, not last place. Many do not finish. Pretty often the person who is the last official finisher suffered through either a bad crash where they limped in on hte stage and finished near the back for several days afterwards or was ill for several days and suffered through those in hopes of regaining enough form to be able to help his team later.
07-07-07, 01:31 PM
#11
Je pose, donc je suis.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Odense, Denmark
Posts: 1,463
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Keith99
I'm sure some reading this thread are fairly new and one thing has not been made quite as clear as it could be. The lanterne rouge is for the last FINISHER, not last place. Many do not finish. Pretty often the person who is the last official finisher suffered through either a bad crash where they limped in on hte stage and finished near the back for several days afterwards or was ill for several days and suffered through those in hopes of regaining enough form to be able to help his team later.
07-08-07, 05:30 AM
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 6,410
Bikes: Scapin EOS7 sloping, 10v Record, Ksyriums
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
lanterne rouge from the Tour can command $$$ at post-tour criteriums.
07-08-07, 08:03 AM
#13
Banned.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Long Island
Posts: 883
Bikes: Lemond Reno
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Keith99
I'm sure some reading this thread are fairly new and one thing has not been made quite as clear as it could be. The lanterne rouge is for the last FINISHER, not last place. Many do not finish. Pretty often the person who is the last official finisher suffered through either a bad crash where they limped in on hte stage and finished near the back for several days afterwards or was ill for several days and suffered through those in hopes of regaining enough form to be able to help his team later.
Is there anywhere that explains how everything works?
07-08-07, 10:47 AM
#14
.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Rocket City, No'ala
Posts: 12,763
Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 5.2, 1985 Pinarello Treviso, 1990 Gardin Shred, 2006 Bianchi San Jose
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 28 Times
in
13 Posts
Originally Posted by Turboem1
Thanks. This is my first year watching the tour (and riding a road bike) and I have no clue how any of it works. I know of maybe 3 peoples names and I watch it just to see some pro's ride.
Is there anywhere that explains how everything works?
Is there anywhere that explains how everything works?
What do you want to know?
07-08-07, 11:23 AM
#15
Burning Matches.
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 9,714
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4077 Post(s)
Liked 1,002 Times
in
676 Posts
Basics: First ten stages or so are flat, these stages determine points leader, who wears green jersey. There are some bonus points along the way at designated locations to keep things at least a little interesting on flat stages.
The next ten stages or so are hilly/mountainous. Those who get up hills/mountains quickest get separate points, and the person who has the most is KOM - king of the mountains - and gets the polka-dot jersey.
The majority of the competition is focused on the GC - who wears the yellow jersey. This is the person who has the least overall time. You can't really put any time into someone in the flat stages - so this is basically decided in the TT's and the mountain stages.
The next ten stages or so are hilly/mountainous. Those who get up hills/mountains quickest get separate points, and the person who has the most is KOM - king of the mountains - and gets the polka-dot jersey.
The majority of the competition is focused on the GC - who wears the yellow jersey. This is the person who has the least overall time. You can't really put any time into someone in the flat stages - so this is basically decided in the TT's and the mountain stages.
__________________
ElJamoquio didn't hate the world, per se; he was just constantly disappointed by humanity.
07-08-07, 12:19 PM
#16
Descends Like Avalanche
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Somewhere between Funkytown and Margaritaville, PA
Posts: 5,769
Bikes: Lynskey R240, Sportive, and a Helix Sport disc model in the works; Eddy Merckx MX Leader; Specialized Rock Hopper Comp (1988!)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by botto
Nice cliche, if only it were true.
It sounds pretty plausible that the person in last place was either sick or injured. Plus the original comment was qualified with "Pretty often..." rather than saying it was always the case.
__________________
The rider in my avatar is David Etxebarria, not me.
