gotta hand it to kloden.........
07-16-07, 07:38 PM
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"If you were Vino during that stage, would you rather have Kloden (a stronger rider) or Kaschechkin helping drag you back up towards the leaders? Me personally, I would ask for Kloden."
At that point in the race not even Superman could have pulled Vino back up to the leaders. Kloden lost over a minute to buy Vino probably 5 seconds at best.
At that point in the race not even Superman could have pulled Vino back up to the leaders. Kloden lost over a minute to buy Vino probably 5 seconds at best.
07-16-07, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Randomus
I think you're reading waaaaaay too much into this right now! 
If you were Vino during that stage, would you rather have Kloden (a stronger rider) or Kaschechkin helping drag you back up towards the leaders? Me personally, I would ask for Kloden.
If you were Vino during that stage, would you rather have Kloden (a stronger rider) or Kaschechkin helping drag you back up towards the leaders? Me personally, I would ask for Kloden.
07-16-07, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OrionKhan
I don't think it was a matter of Vino asking for Kloden to come back. It was the team director. Seriously, do you think that Vino said, "Umm, send Kloden back to pace me back." I doubt it. That decision was made in the team car. Vino probably didn't ask for any help. Most atheletes pride wouldn't.
What Kloden said about the whole thing:
Andreas Klöden stuck by his injured Astana team captain Alexandre Vinokourov on Sunday's final climb to Tignes, despite having the strength to ride with the favourites group of Christophe Moreau, Cadel Evans and Alejandro Valverde. However, for Klöden, who has found himself in a similar position before with former team-mate Jan Ullrich in previous Tours de France, it was the logical tactic to adopt.
"When we didn't have any helpers left, Vino asked me to take over the lead work," he wrote on his website, andreas-kloeden.com. "I rode a regular rhythm and in the distance could see that the riders ahead of us weren't working well together. We slowly got closer to them and had almost joined them, when Vino started having problems.
"Sure, I could have gone on alone, but we quickly agreed that I would wait for Vino and that together we would try to keep the time difference as small as possible, which worked out."
The German now sits in 12th overall, 3'46" behind race leader Michael Rasmussen while Vino is down in 22nd, 5'23" back. "I can understand the fans' complaints," continued Klöden, "but cycling is a team sport. If one of us stands on the podium at the end of this Tour, then everyone on the team will have contributed."
"When we didn't have any helpers left, Vino asked me to take over the lead work," he wrote on his website, andreas-kloeden.com. "I rode a regular rhythm and in the distance could see that the riders ahead of us weren't working well together. We slowly got closer to them and had almost joined them, when Vino started having problems.
"Sure, I could have gone on alone, but we quickly agreed that I would wait for Vino and that together we would try to keep the time difference as small as possible, which worked out."
The German now sits in 12th overall, 3'46" behind race leader Michael Rasmussen while Vino is down in 22nd, 5'23" back. "I can understand the fans' complaints," continued Klöden, "but cycling is a team sport. If one of us stands on the podium at the end of this Tour, then everyone on the team will have contributed."
07-16-07, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Randomus
I agree that it was likely someone in the team car who made the final decision, but some people tend to think it was Vino's final call.
What Kloden said about the whole thing:
What Kloden said about the whole thing:
Oh well, time will tell if it was a smart move or not. I'm wondering how much time Vino would have lost if no one came back for him. He has always been a rider who rode solo well.
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Originally Posted by OrionKhan
Interesting quote by Kloden. "I can understand the fans' complaints," continued Klöden, "but cycling is a team sport. If one of us stands on the podium at the end of this Tour, then everyone on the team will have contributed." If he keeps on riding both he and Kaschechkin are in a strong position to be on the podium.
Oh well, time will tell if it was a smart move or not. I'm wondering how much time Vino would have lost if no one came back for him. He has always been a rider who rode solo well.
Oh well, time will tell if it was a smart move or not. I'm wondering how much time Vino would have lost if no one came back for him. He has always been a rider who rode solo well.
Sometimes the workers are stronger than the leader it has happened MANY times in the tour......but standing behind your word that is not as common. I for one have a great amount of respect for Kloden for standing by his leader.
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Originally Posted by robow
"you'll notice contador didn't lose any time because of levi !"
Ole Levi has them right where he wants them, running exactly according to plan
Ole Levi has them right where he wants them, running exactly according to plan
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Originally Posted by erader
yeah i saw that interview too...he stayed back on the decisive move to mark the losers !
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Both Vino and Kaschechkin lost more time to the leaders today, while Kloden finished up ahead. That time that Kloden gave away to go back and pull for Vino a couple of days ago could come back to haunt him and Astana big time.
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Originally Posted by OrionKhan
Both Vino and Kaschechkin lost more time to the leaders today, while Kloden finished up ahead. That time that Kloden gave away to go back and pull for Vino a couple of days ago could come back to haunt him and Astana big time.
Of course, if Vino shocks us all by taking it to everyone in the Pyrenees and gains back all that time, y'all are free to "Colbert me" right back.
