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LL = Levi Leipheimer or Lazy Loser?
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LL = Levi Leipheimer or Lazy Loser?
Does LL stand for Levi Leipheimer or Lazy Loser?
I mean, is LL really holding back for the TTs and to attack in the Pyrenees?
Or is he, well, a Lazy Loser?
Vote before Saturday.
I mean, is LL really holding back for the TTs and to attack in the Pyrenees?
Or is he, well, a Lazy Loser?
Vote before Saturday.
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*sigh* What is with all of the hate on Levi?
Even if he cracks during the TT, or in the Pyrenees, that doesn't IMO mean he is lazy.
If that is your failed attempt at humor, then I apologize.
Even if he cracks during the TT, or in the Pyrenees, that doesn't IMO mean he is lazy.
If that is your failed attempt at humor, then I apologize.
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If that's the case, I hardly think you should be doing the apologizing. While things might not go the way Levi would like them to, I see no justification for either of the alliterative labels that HelmetHead seems to be suggesting.
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Halfway through the tour he's a minute 20 out of second place.
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Tell us how you would do it HH, since obviously you are much more qualified to ride the TDF than Levi...at least in your own mind. Don't you have a bike lane debate or something in A&S to attend to?
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No hes not lazy, but he doesnt seem to have that fire about him that I would like to see. Hes not all that alluring as a personality or in his riding style but he is clearly an effective rider and a podium finish could be within reach.
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nobody riding le Tour is lazy......
but Levi is not as good as many on this forum seem to think.
but Levi is not as good as many on this forum seem to think.
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Does he have good form? We'll find out in the mountains next week. However, he hasn't shown much to date. Whether this is to plan or not remains to be seen. It does seem that there are a group of GC guys that are very close. That list included Levi ...... for now.
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Lazy Loser. Otherwise he'd go out on solo breaks from the start every day.
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But of the GC contenders this year, so far he's in the second tier. That doesn't mean he's not a good stage racer, just not a tour de france winner. Top 10 in years past doesn't equal podium, ask Moreau.
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The question wasn't whether Levi would win the tour. The question was whether he was a lazy loser.
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Another point Levi is in 6th place right now, so your 1st tier must be pretty small.
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I personally think a podium finish would be a HUGE victory. Top 5 a good tour and a top 10 a dissapointment.
Hes not lazy.
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And I would bet that after the upcoming time trial that he moves up and not down but then so will Kloden big time (small top tier indeed). When all is said and done, you've got to love this Tour, half way thru, no clear winner, no one playing safe and methodically protecting a lead, one bad day and you're on your way out. Really enjoying this one.
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All of the same things being said about Levi were also said about Landis last year. Go back and check the old forums. Levi is a good racer. He could win the TDF, but it is unlikely. This tour is so wide open though, anything can happen.
With no major crashes or meltdowns by the GC guys I suspect Levi will finish 4th or 5th.
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With no major crashes or meltdowns by the GC guys I suspect Levi will finish 4th or 5th.
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Anyone who thinks Levi is showing weakness by his current performance (or lack thereof) is someone I'd like to sell some nice swampland to. Not saying he will win, but if his strategy is translated into actual performance in the TT and Pyrenees, rather than just wishful thinking, he has a good chance of getting on the podium.
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The thing is, being an attacking fool doesn't win Tours. This year there are two 50k TTs and the bulk of the climbing in the third week. OK, Rasmussen had a big day, but Levi'll easily gain 3:50 in those two time trials and probably a lot more. Beyond that he's only 1:20 out of second place. Being conservative in the first two weeks is clearly the right move. And you might say that it'll continue to be the right move. If he can continue to do exactly what he's been doing he'll only have to compete with Evans and Kloden in the TTs. If he can only match them in the TTs and gain time on just one day in the mountains, he'll win the Tour.
By GGDub's logic, Levi is stuck with Evans, Kloden and Sastre in the second tier with I suppose Rasmussen, Valverde, Mayo and Contador in the first tier. I reckon Levi will take that. I figure the only one of those "first tier" guys the "second tier" guys are at all worried about is Valverde.
By GGDub's logic, Levi is stuck with Evans, Kloden and Sastre in the second tier with I suppose Rasmussen, Valverde, Mayo and Contador in the first tier. I reckon Levi will take that. I figure the only one of those "first tier" guys the "second tier" guys are at all worried about is Valverde.
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Huh, so attacking doesn't win tours? Better tell that to the last 9 winners.
How will he gain time, if he's always following wheels? Evans, Contador, and Kloden all finished ahead of him in the prologue and Valverde finished just behind him. If you're expecting Levi to put serious time into these guys in the TTs then you're expecting one of these guys to have a really bad day.
How will he gain time, if he's always following wheels? Evans, Contador, and Kloden all finished ahead of him in the prologue and Valverde finished just behind him. If you're expecting Levi to put serious time into these guys in the TTs then you're expecting one of these guys to have a really bad day.
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Huh, so attacking doesn't win tours? Better tell that to the last 9 winners.
How will he gain time, if he's always following wheels? Evans, Contador, and Kloden all finished ahead of him in the prologue and Valverde finished just behind him. If you're expecting Levi to put serious time into these guys in the TTs then you're expecting one of these guys to have a really bad day.
How will he gain time, if he's always following wheels? Evans, Contador, and Kloden all finished ahead of him in the prologue and Valverde finished just behind him. If you're expecting Levi to put serious time into these guys in the TTs then you're expecting one of these guys to have a really bad day.
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Levi has said repeatedly that he will attack in the Pyrenees. We will find out if he is just blowing smoke on Sunday.
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How will he gain time, if he's always following wheels? Evans, Contador, and Kloden all finished ahead of him in the prologue and Valverde finished just behind him. If you're expecting Levi to put serious time into these guys in the TTs then you're expecting one of these guys to have a really bad day.
Ya think an 8k TT is an indicator of performance in a 55k TT? er............well, I'll remember that when reading your posts!
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Yes, you are right, there is a difference. Look up last years two TT's then, if you want a better guide. Hint: You are going to have to look a little farther down the list to find Levi.