FL's Positive Result: "Splashed On?"
08-31-07, 01:55 PM
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FL's Positive Result: "Splashed On?"
There are numerous ways to deliver hormones to the bloodstream and hence, the urine ... to be later detected by laboratory tests.
One way is to maliciously mix the banned isotope or other substance with water and "Splash" it on the rider as he or she passes close to "Spectators" (Well meaning tour followers often attempt to aid riders in many ways). Skin absorbtion does the rest and the urine sample will test positive as the test sensitivity is extremely high.
I'm surprised this fact hasn't been raised. It's important becuase Landis can never prove a negative (That he didn't take drugs).
All he can do is (1) establish doubt that he intentionally administered the drugs that were found or (2) that the tests or testers were in error and there were no drugs present.
One way is to maliciously mix the banned isotope or other substance with water and "Splash" it on the rider as he or she passes close to "Spectators" (Well meaning tour followers often attempt to aid riders in many ways). Skin absorbtion does the rest and the urine sample will test positive as the test sensitivity is extremely high.
I'm surprised this fact hasn't been raised. It's important becuase Landis can never prove a negative (That he didn't take drugs).
All he can do is (1) establish doubt that he intentionally administered the drugs that were found or (2) that the tests or testers were in error and there were no drugs present.
08-31-07, 03:56 PM
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There are numerous ways to deliver hormones to the bloodstream and hence, the urine ... to be later detected by laboratory tests.
One way is to maliciously mix the banned isotope or other substance with water and "Splash" it on the rider as he or she passes close to "Spectators" (Well meaning tour followers often attempt to aid riders in many ways). Skin absorbtion does the rest and the urine sample will test positive as the test sensitivity is extremely high.
I'm surprised this fact hasn't been raised. It's important becuase Landis can never prove a negative (That he didn't take drugs).
All he can do is (1) establish doubt that he intentionally administered the drugs that were found or (2) that the tests or testers were in error and there were no drugs present.
One way is to maliciously mix the banned isotope or other substance with water and "Splash" it on the rider as he or she passes close to "Spectators" (Well meaning tour followers often attempt to aid riders in many ways). Skin absorbtion does the rest and the urine sample will test positive as the test sensitivity is extremely high.
I'm surprised this fact hasn't been raised. It's important becuase Landis can never prove a negative (That he didn't take drugs).
All he can do is (1) establish doubt that he intentionally administered the drugs that were found or (2) that the tests or testers were in error and there were no drugs present.
09-03-07, 03:46 PM
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But what if an unborn twin brother splashed the drugs that were actually meant for his dog, originating from something a relative brought back from South America? (Thanks Hamilton, Vandenbroucke, and Simoni.)
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The test determines the ratio of two things. In this cas eptestrone to Testrosterstone (forgive spelling please) It is an easire cheaper test that measuring the desired element directly. When FL's ratio was deemed off (the results varied with numbers in bounds and out) then another test was done. This test seemed to show that the testosterone was low. (what would the advantage of that be?).
If you go on line and look at the hearing you get the idea that not only was the ratio somewhat subjective, but so was the second test of the "A" sample and the same test done on the "B" sample.was questioonable. If they were sure that he was guilty the whole mess would have been over a year ago.
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If you go on line and look at the hearing you get the idea that not only was the ratio somewhat subjective, but so was the second test of the "A" sample and the same test done on the "B" sample.was questioonable. If they were sure that he was guilty the whole mess would have been over a year ago.
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09-03-07, 05:15 PM
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Since you're following this so closely, you must know that Landis's T:E ratio was high because of a lack of epitestosterone, not an excess of testosterone, which was normal. So tell us, what is the magic compound that erases epitestosterone in the sysetem when applied to the skin?
09-04-07, 11:53 PM
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If you go on line and look at the hearing you get the idea that not only was the ratio somewhat subjective, but so was the second test of the "A" sample and the same test done on the "B" sample.was questioonable. If they were sure that he was guilty the whole mess would have been over a year ago.
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It is a test where the ratio of 2 different things gives the final number. In this case it is testosterone to epitestosterone. Both are produced naturally in the body and they are produced by interrelated processes.This means that if their ratio is outside of a given range something is wrong. For athletes if the ratio is high the logical conclusion is that they took testosterone.
A related kind of test is a concentration/level test. Blood Alcohol level is a well known one. Too high and you are in trouble. Again alcohol is a naturally occuring substance and some should be expected in the blood.
A related kind of test is a concentration/level test. Blood Alcohol level is a well known one. Too high and you are in trouble. Again alcohol is a naturally occuring substance and some should be expected in the blood.
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So someone splashed water on him every day he was sampled during the tour? They all came back with synthetic testosterone.
I know there are a lot of Floyd apologists on this board, but this is a little out there as a conspiracy theory.
I know there are a lot of Floyd apologists on this board, but this is a little out there as a conspiracy theory.
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Considering that it takes concentrated testosterone being applied in a patch right on the balls for hours to absorb any significant amount of test, it seems unlikely that enough could be splashed on a rider, and stay there long enough to trip the test.
You are also assuming someone had the motivation, means, and foresight to be waiting on the side of a hill for him.
This is bike racing.
The only sabotage theory I find plausible is that a lab worker broke protocol, matched his vials, and put a drop of roids in before it was tested. But this is even too far out there for Landis' defense team. Considering the stuff they have come up with, thats saying something.
You are also assuming someone had the motivation, means, and foresight to be waiting on the side of a hill for him.
This is bike racing.The only sabotage theory I find plausible is that a lab worker broke protocol, matched his vials, and put a drop of roids in before it was tested. But this is even too far out there for Landis' defense team. Considering the stuff they have come up with, thats saying something.
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Considering that it takes concentrated testosterone being applied in a patch right on the balls for hours to absorb any significant amount of test, it seems unlikely that enough could be splashed on a rider, and stay there long enough to trip the test.
You are also assuming someone had the motivation, means, and foresight to be waiting on the side of a hill for him. This is bike racing.
The only sabotage theory I find plausible is that a lab worker broke protocol, matched his vials, and put a drop of roids in before it was tested. But this is even too far out there for Landis' defense team. Considering the stuff they have come up with, thats saying something.
You are also assuming someone had the motivation, means, and foresight to be waiting on the side of a hill for him.
This is bike racing.The only sabotage theory I find plausible is that a lab worker broke protocol, matched his vials, and put a drop of roids in before it was tested. But this is even too far out there for Landis' defense team. Considering the stuff they have come up with, thats saying something.
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What if an unborn twin brother splashed the drugs that were actually meant for his dog, originating from something a relative brought back from South America, while he missed a test because he was in Mexico (actually in Italy), had extra blood with a different blood type due to recovering from a leg injury, and transformed his body to be a climber due to cancer recovery?
