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Landis Decision
I guess I'm the first to see this, not even on Velonews yet.
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I guess I'm the first to see this, not even on Velonews yet.
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cn.com has it now:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ep07/sep21news
By the way, there is a great article about Tyler and his "Believers" in the Nov issue of Bicycling. Highly recommended.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ep07/sep21news
By the way, there is a great article about Tyler and his "Believers" in the Nov issue of Bicycling. Highly recommended.
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cn.com has it now:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ep07/sep21news
By the way, there is a great article about Tyler and his "Believers" in the Nov issue of Bicycling. Highly recommended.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ep07/sep21news
By the way, there is a great article about Tyler and his "Believers" in the Nov issue of Bicycling. Highly recommended.
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Somehow, I think we all knew what the outcome was going to be, whether he was actually guilty or not.
I wonder if he'll appeal the decision or if he can afford to appeal.
Ultimately, no matter what our judgements may be only Landis knows for sure whether he did or didn't cheat.
But I am just having mixed feelings right now. I feel my faith in the sport, or more appropriately the governing bodies, is lost and that this witch hunt is just the beginning of a lot more turmoil that has already been stirred and to come in the sport.
I feel bad for Landis and American cycling.
I'm hoping teams like Team Slipstream can popularize Amercian cycling like Disco/Postal did but without the air of doubt.
I'm sure the French are toasting in the streets about now. How sad that would be to cheer one's downfall.
I just can't see that Oscar can be proud of this TdF "win".
I wonder if he'll appeal the decision or if he can afford to appeal.
Ultimately, no matter what our judgements may be only Landis knows for sure whether he did or didn't cheat.
But I am just having mixed feelings right now. I feel my faith in the sport, or more appropriately the governing bodies, is lost and that this witch hunt is just the beginning of a lot more turmoil that has already been stirred and to come in the sport.
I feel bad for Landis and American cycling.
I'm hoping teams like Team Slipstream can popularize Amercian cycling like Disco/Postal did but without the air of doubt.
I'm sure the French are toasting in the streets about now. How sad that would be to cheer one's downfall.
I just can't see that Oscar can be proud of this TdF "win".
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This is a really good article. https://www.kare11.com/sports/sports_...storyid=265236
Anyone know where one can obtain a copy of the decision?
And how long before the server crashes?
Anyone know where one can obtain a copy of the decision?
And how long before the server crashes?
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The majority repeatedly wrote that any mistakes made at the lab were not enough to dismiss the positive test, but also sent a warning.
"If such practises continue, it may well be that in the future, an error like this could result in the dismissal" of a positive finding by the lab.
"If such practises continue, it may well be that in the future, an error like this could result in the dismissal" of a positive finding by the lab.
What, so we'll look the other way and excuse your rampant incompetency this time because we don't like Landis, but next time we'll hold you accountable?
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I'd have been shocked if he was acquitted. I think the only one who will ever know whether he's truly guilty or not is Landis himself. Sad day for cycling period.
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Somehow, I think we all knew what the outcome was going to be, whether he was actually guilty or not.
I wonder if he'll appeal the decision or if he can afford to appeal.
Ultimately, no matter what our judgements may be only Landis knows for sure whether he did or didn't cheat.
But I am just having mixed feelings right now. I feel my faith in the sport, or more appropriately the governing bodies, is lost and that this witch hunt is just the beginning of a lot more turmoil that has already been stirred and to come in the sport.
I feel bad for Landis and American cycling.
I'm hoping teams like Team Slipstream can popularize Amercian cycling like Disco/Postal did but without the air of doubt.
I'm sure the French are toating in the streets about now. How sad that would be to cheer one's downfall.
I wonder if he'll appeal the decision or if he can afford to appeal.
Ultimately, no matter what our judgements may be only Landis knows for sure whether he did or didn't cheat.
But I am just having mixed feelings right now. I feel my faith in the sport, or more appropriately the governing bodies, is lost and that this witch hunt is just the beginning of a lot more turmoil that has already been stirred and to come in the sport.
I feel bad for Landis and American cycling.
I'm hoping teams like Team Slipstream can popularize Amercian cycling like Disco/Postal did but without the air of doubt.
I'm sure the French are toating in the streets about now. How sad that would be to cheer one's downfall.
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Landis has a month to decide whether or not to appeal the "guilty" finding. But, odds are, his career is over. He will go into history as the only winner of the Tour de France to ever lose the yellow jersey based on an official finding that he cheated to win.
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"If such practises continue, it may well be that in the future, an error like this could result in the dismissal" of a positive finding by the lab."
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even if he does ultimately clear himself, he will be too old to compete by then
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My guess and I'm no legal expert is that he may try to have his case heard in the Supreme Court. They are the only ones who could overturn the UCI's decision that I am aware of.
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I doubt the U.S. supreme court has any jurisdiction over the UCI, a french-based organization. They could rule whether he was unfairly dismissed and try to make the UCI pay compensation (if they have U.S. assets) but they could not force the UCI to allow him to ride. Its kinda like the U.S. supreme court making rulings regarding French Labour laws, they can do it all they want, but it won't make a lick of difference in France.
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I doubt the U.S. supreme court has any jurisdiction over the UCI, a french-based organization. They could rule whether he was unfairly dismissed and try to make the UCI pay compensation (if they have U.S. assets) but they could not force the UCI to allow him to ride. Its kinda like the U.S. supreme court making rulings regarding French Labour laws, they can do it all they want, but it won't make a lick of difference in France.
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The International Cycling Union (UCI), a non-profit-making organization founded on 14 April 1900, is the association of the National Cycling Federations. Its headquarters are in Aigle, Switzerland.
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The judges were about as biased, and predictable as your standard vote in Congress. In reality, the only things the hearing proved were that the lab made numerous mistakes, and that two of the "judges" couldn't care less about scientific facts. It's a sad day when politics impedes justice.
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I doubt the U.S. supreme court has any jurisdiction over the UCI, a french-based organization. They could rule whether he was unfairly dismissed and try to make the UCI pay compensation (if they have U.S. assets) but they could not force the UCI to allow him to ride. Its kinda like the U.S. supreme court making rulings regarding French Labour laws, they can do it all they want, but it won't make a lick of difference in France.
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And yes, Landis can bring lawsuits against everyone involved. The courts can also throw them all out. As he is now Californian all bets are off on what CA courts will do.
I doubt the U.S. supreme court has any jurisdiction over the UCI, a french-based organization. They could rule whether he was unfairly dismissed and try to make the UCI pay compensation (if they have U.S. assets) but they could not force the UCI to allow him to ride. Its kinda like the U.S. supreme court making rulings regarding French Labour laws, they can do it all they want, but it won't make a lick of difference in France.
As for your specific example of the US making rulings on French Labor laws, the US can enforce it's court rulings through various trade tools if enforcement is important enough (not this case). About 15 years ago the US had a problem with French laws regarding subsidies and threatened an embargo on all French goods to protect US national interests.
It's often amazing what courts determine as their jurisdiction. He is a employee that resides in California and his employment opportunities have been altered by an administrative decision. Some judge will determine that he has jurisdiction. On a broader scale, US law allows US courts to decide in absentia on foreign entities under certain circumstances. Needless to say this could get interesting.
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The IOC is there due to Switzerland's longstanding neutrality. That neutrality is based on the lack of invasion for the past couple of hundred years (attacking into the mountains is hard). So ultimately, these international sporting federations are based in Switzerland because it's in the mountains.