stage 17 - Embrun L'Alpe-d'Huez 210.5 km Spoiler
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I think Cadel had that "time" in his head that he could allow Sastre, and for my money it was 2 minutes. His DS in the car was surely yelling "Sastre has 2 minutes, you gotta go!" in his earpiece. And you could see Cadel was on the limit in the last 2-3 kilometers, barely holding that 2 minutes and not really gaining much back. He played it smart, he could have punched it at the bottom and then really blown up in the last half and lost maybe 4 minutes instead!
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Allright. First CSC kept the pace high over the first 3 climbs, making the race hard, and causing other teams to lose support riders from the front of the group, and take some steam out of the other riders.
Notice that when they got to the final climb, CSC had both Schlecks, and Sastre. Evan had only himself.
Then Evans had to decide who tomark and who to let go. Calculating he could limit his losses and make up ground in the final TT he let Sastre go and marked Frank Schleck.
Then the Schlecks disrupted Evans rhythm. Evans would prefer to climb at one steady tempo. Instead, one Schleck or the other would accelerate in an attack, get caught, then sit up. So the constant attacks, disrupted Evan's rythym, and actually slowed the overall pace of the chase group(as evidenced by the fact that Menchov was able to regroup and join back on.)
What the Schlecks did was actually textbook "blocking" You don't physically obstruct the chase group. Rather by attacking, and then easing up repeatedly you disrupt the chase group.
Hope that helps.
Notice that when they got to the final climb, CSC had both Schlecks, and Sastre. Evan had only himself.
Then Evans had to decide who tomark and who to let go. Calculating he could limit his losses and make up ground in the final TT he let Sastre go and marked Frank Schleck.
Then the Schlecks disrupted Evans rhythm. Evans would prefer to climb at one steady tempo. Instead, one Schleck or the other would accelerate in an attack, get caught, then sit up. So the constant attacks, disrupted Evan's rythym, and actually slowed the overall pace of the chase group(as evidenced by the fact that Menchov was able to regroup and join back on.)
What the Schlecks did was actually textbook "blocking" You don't physically obstruct the chase group. Rather by attacking, and then easing up repeatedly you disrupt the chase group.
Hope that helps.
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Please? Maybe we should include it in our conference meeting next year... got tired of Navy, Wake and Pfeiffer riders clogging the front this year.
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For all the attacks and pacing CSC did in the mountains (and I give them credit for incredible team strength and depth), and with almost zero team help for Cadel, I find it remarkable that Evans can still win this TdF with a good TT (he took 1:17 on Sastre in the first TT, and this next one is about 70% longer, so Cadel should be able to take 2+ minutes on Carlos this time, if the first one was any useful index).
OTOH, they've got one more stage with a climbing finish where more time gaps could theoretically be taken, making it possible it will come down to a gap of just seconds to win.
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Yes, the Galibier is usually included, and often either the Croix de Fer or else the Col du Glandon. Usually the stage goes in a different compass direction than today... usually they climb the Galibier on the more difficult, Telegraphe+Galibier combo side, which is immediately followed by l'Alpe at the end. The Croix de Fer was climbed over the more difficult side on this occasion.
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Yes, the Galibier is usually included, and often either the Croix de Fer or else the Col du Glandon. Usually the stage goes in a different compass direction than today... usually they climb the Galibier on the more difficult, Telegraphe+Galibier combo side, which is immediately followed by l'Alpe at the end. The Croix de Fer was climbed over the more difficult side on this occasion.
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The REAL blame goes to Lotto management for not building a team around Evans, instead building it around aging and increasingly speedless McEwen. I didn't notice one Lotto guy around Evans on the final climb, at least not one doing any work. That's shameful for a GC contender, and every Lotto teammate of Evans should farkin' apologize to him for doing nothing...
In one of the interviews before one of the early sprinter's stages he was asked about his tactics and his reply was something to the effect of "I'll look to see which other team looks strong and try to hop on."
I think it's pretty obvious to say that Lotto just doesn't have the depth of some of the other teams this year, particularly CSC, which makes Evans' performance even more impressive, wheelsucker or not.
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Evans is still the man. Sastre got some back today but, really, is he more deserving than Evans for the TDF win? I think not. He (Sastre) looks like a nice solid GC guy but, he's riding the big CSC train.
Sastre is sucking wheels for two weeks and now I'm supposed to praise him for putting a whopping 2+ mins. on Evans after the 17th Stage? Sheit. Weak sauce.
Evans is one tough, grinding Aussie. Screw Riis and that whole big CSC operation. They wont win.
Call me the noob but, please don't tell me Sastre is a champion. Boring, boring rider for a great team.
That's hardly the stuff of TDF history.
Sastre is sucking wheels for two weeks and now I'm supposed to praise him for putting a whopping 2+ mins. on Evans after the 17th Stage? Sheit. Weak sauce.
Evans is one tough, grinding Aussie. Screw Riis and that whole big CSC operation. They wont win.
Call me the noob but, please don't tell me Sastre is a champion. Boring, boring rider for a great team.
That's hardly the stuff of TDF history.
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Results on this stage are the best thing that could possibly have happened, as far as us the fans are concerned.
Had Cadel kept the time gap to under 1 minute we would know he would smoke Sastre in the time trial and win the GC.
Had the gap been over 2 minutes we'd know he'd probably lose. Sastre has been a pretty lousy timetrialist in the past but he did fairly well this year so far. He could finish within 2 minutes.
But no, the gap is something like 1:40 so we still don't know who will win overall.
Had Cadel kept the time gap to under 1 minute we would know he would smoke Sastre in the time trial and win the GC.
Had the gap been over 2 minutes we'd know he'd probably lose. Sastre has been a pretty lousy timetrialist in the past but he did fairly well this year so far. He could finish within 2 minutes.
But no, the gap is something like 1:40 so we still don't know who will win overall.
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I wouldn't count on it. Cat 4 climb, with a run in of several kilometers after the climb. Odds are extremely strong there's no change on GC today or tomorrow.
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Watching Sastre attack caused a sense of disorientation, like waking up one morning and seeing the sun rising in the west.
Nonetheless Carlos is the Mastre of Disastre. He'll lose three minutes (at least) to Evans in the TT.
Nonetheless Carlos is the Mastre of Disastre. He'll lose three minutes (at least) to Evans in the TT.
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The REAL blame goes to Lotto management for not building a team around Evans, instead building it around aging and increasingly speedless McEwen. I didn't notice one Lotto guy around Evans on the final climb, at least not one doing any work. That's shameful for a GC contender, and every Lotto teammate of Evans should farkin' apologize to him for doing nothing...
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Well, I wasn't counting on it - just suggesting it's not a likely group sprint finish, given the course profile. I'd think CSC SHOULD try to get a few more seconds anywhere, anyway they can - b/c I'll be very surprised if Sastre can stay within 2 minutes of Cadel on the ITT.
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I would agree completely with this, and with the complaints about Cadel possibly winning without winning a stage, if we'd never heard of Cadel before this year.
The thing is, the guy doesn't have stealth. EVERY GC contender knew that they would have to attack him in the mountains. Lotto could have painted a bullseye on his back on every mountain stage. He simply had to be attacked in the mountains, we knew it, the GC guys knew it, and he knew it.
That simply can NOT be an easy way to ride.
But despite every single GC hopeful knowing that they had to beat him in the mountains, danged few of them could do it. If he'd lost 3 minutes or 5 minutes on one of the climbs (like, say, VDV), we'd have all said "yup, he's not a climber, that was expected".
Instead, he rode WITH pretty much every single guy who knew they had to break him. Some got ahead of him, but nobody, except MAYBE Sastre, broke him.
If you can ride what 5, 6 days in the mountains with a bullseye on your back and fight them all off, well, that's good enough for me.
I love attacking riding as much as the next guy. That said, Cadel has been like a boxer with no arms, standing around in the ring, trying to endure until the final bell.
Everyone's taken their shot at him, and he's still here. My hat is off to him.
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I would agree completely with this, and with the complaints about Cadel possibly winning without winning a stage, if we'd never heard of Cadel before this year.
The thing is, the guy doesn't have stealth. EVERY GC contender knew that they would have to attack him in the mountains. Lotto could have painted a bullseye on his back on every mountain stage. He simply had to be attacked in the mountains, we knew it, the GC guys knew it, and he knew it.
That simply can NOT be an easy way to ride.
But despite every single GC hopeful knowing that they had to beat him in the mountains, danged few of them could do it. If he'd lost 3 minutes or 5 minutes on one of the climbs (like, say, VDV), we'd have all said "yup, he's not a climber, that was expected".
Instead, he rode WITH pretty much every single guy who knew they had to break him. Some got ahead of him, but nobody, except MAYBE Sastre, broke him.
If you can ride what 5, 6 days in the mountains with a bullseye on your back and fight them all off, well, that's good enough for me.
I love attacking riding as much as the next guy. That said, Cadel has been like a boxer with no arms, standing around in the ring, trying to endure until the final bell.
Everyone's taken their shot at him, and he's still here. My hat is off to him.
V
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I, too, disagree.
I would agree completely with this, and with the complaints about Cadel possibly winning without winning a stage, if we'd never heard of Cadel before this year.
The thing is, the guy doesn't have stealth. EVERY GC contender knew that they would have to attack him in the mountains. Lotto could have painted a bullseye on his back on every mountain stage. He simply had to be attacked in the mountains, we knew it, the GC guys knew it, and he knew it.
That simply can NOT be an easy way to ride.
But despite every single GC hopeful knowing that they had to beat him in the mountains, danged few of them could do it. If he'd lost 3 minutes or 5 minutes on one of the climbs (like, say, VDV), we'd have all said "yup, he's not a climber, that was expected".
Instead, he rode WITH pretty much every single guy who knew they had to break him. Some got ahead of him, but nobody, except MAYBE Sastre, broke him.
If you can ride what 5, 6 days in the mountains with a bullseye on your back and fight them all off, well, that's good enough for me.
I love attacking riding as much as the next guy. That said, Cadel has been like a boxer with no arms, standing around in the ring, trying to endure until the final bell.
Everyone's taken their shot at him, and he's still here. My hat is off to him.
V
I would agree completely with this, and with the complaints about Cadel possibly winning without winning a stage, if we'd never heard of Cadel before this year.
The thing is, the guy doesn't have stealth. EVERY GC contender knew that they would have to attack him in the mountains. Lotto could have painted a bullseye on his back on every mountain stage. He simply had to be attacked in the mountains, we knew it, the GC guys knew it, and he knew it.
That simply can NOT be an easy way to ride.
But despite every single GC hopeful knowing that they had to beat him in the mountains, danged few of them could do it. If he'd lost 3 minutes or 5 minutes on one of the climbs (like, say, VDV), we'd have all said "yup, he's not a climber, that was expected".
Instead, he rode WITH pretty much every single guy who knew they had to break him. Some got ahead of him, but nobody, except MAYBE Sastre, broke him.
If you can ride what 5, 6 days in the mountains with a bullseye on your back and fight them all off, well, that's good enough for me.
I love attacking riding as much as the next guy. That said, Cadel has been like a boxer with no arms, standing around in the ring, trying to endure until the final bell.
Everyone's taken their shot at him, and he's still here. My hat is off to him.
V
Funny how Christian is the hero and Cadel is the goat, even though they basically have ridden the same race.
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The woman in the orange bikini jumping up and down at approximately 6.5k to go was INCREDIBLE.
Best part of the stage by far.
The woman in the orange bikini jumping up and down at approximately 6.5k to go was INCREDIBLE.
Best part of the stage by far.