Lance beat cancer, and will beat the cancer on his team: Alberto "The Cancer" Conta..
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07-12-09, 05:19 PM
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He went against his own team. Lance never went against his team. It would of been ok if it was part of the game plan, but AC basically attacked out of the blue with Levi, Contador, and Kloden wondering...basically Contador cheated his teammates.
07-12-09, 05:20 PM
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yeah he's ripped. he was "huge" at the tour of california....
https://erader.zenfolio.com/p634818506
and here's a pic of him a month later working out in his garage (not my pic).....
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https://erader.zenfolio.com/p634818506
and here's a pic of him a month later working out in his garage (not my pic).....
ed rader
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So are you just going to keep changing your argument every time someone shows that you are wrong? If so, you're not going to listen to reason, so what's the point in talking? At that point, you're just a fanboy who doesn't care about anything buy making Armstrong look good, and then you lose your credibility.
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And good lord, PLEASE, don't argue that Armstrong is morally superior. Have you read ANYTHING AT ALL about how he treated some of his teammates, threatened people, sued people, etc? Have you noticed how quickly he goes on the attack and gets mean in the media? Do you realise he has a whole army of lawyers who attack anyone who tries to say anything bad about him?
Why not just admit that you worship Lance and don't care to hear any other point of view?
He was an amazing champion. One of the best EVER. I too loved the guy. However, watching this guy kill a team, put his own glory in front of the success of the team, swear he will have the most sophisticated drug testing in the history of sport and then claim to not be able to afford the cost, beg Contador NOT to leave the team and then crap all over him to the media,leave his longtime girlfriend and date a 20 yr old crackhead, sue everyone in his life, etc., etc., etc., has shown me a new view of his personality. Again, he was one of the best bike racers EVER, but he is NOT a morally superior human being.
Worship away.
07-12-09, 05:51 PM
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07-12-09, 06:09 PM
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The big problem is that the team strategy suits LA and Levi better than it does Contador. Astana could have put some serious hurt on the the other GC contenders in that stage. The idea of not wanting yellow early is foolish. They've pretty much been doing most of the work and controlling the peloton without it. This idea of waiting until the final stages to make a big move only suits LA, Levi, and the other GC contenders. If the team ramped up the pace earlier in the stage and then launched AC, he would have minutes on everyone. Does anyone really think Evans or Sastre would be a serious threat then? No. Hell, Contador gained 20 seconds in less than 2k on that climb. He should have launched earlier.
07-12-09, 09:11 PM
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Astana, JB and Lance have consistently said that they wanted the road to show them who the leader would be. But if the probable best rider who is one of the contending leaders makes a move that none of his teammates agree with how can he show that he is the leader on the road. I'm sure it's possible in a passive way but that's not AC's style. It seems to me that Astana has kind of set this scenerio up by not having AC and LA race along side each other during the season. But it's playing out to great drama now.
I for one am glad that AC made the move. It makes the race more interesting. I'm also glad that he has a different style than Lance or JB as it brings an element of drama into the race. While Lance's method for winning the TDF is sound and works for him, it is also boring.
In a way, AC through down the gauntlet before Lance without totally blowing up the JB team strategy method. And as Sherlock Holmes always would say. "The race is afoot".
I for one am glad that AC made the move. It makes the race more interesting. I'm also glad that he has a different style than Lance or JB as it brings an element of drama into the race. While Lance's method for winning the TDF is sound and works for him, it is also boring.
In a way, AC through down the gauntlet before Lance without totally blowing up the JB team strategy method. And as Sherlock Holmes always would say. "The race is afoot".
07-12-09, 10:08 PM
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Astana, JB and Lance have consistently said that they wanted the road to show them who the leader would be. But if the probable best rider who is one of the contending leaders makes a move that none of his teammates agree with how can he show that he is the leader on the road. I'm sure it's possible in a passive way but that's not AC's style. It seems to me that Astana has kind of set this scenerio up by not having AC and LA race along side each other during the season. But it's playing out to great drama now.
I for one am glad that AC made the move. It makes the race more interesting. I'm also glad that he has a different style than Lance or JB as it brings an element of drama into the race. While Lance's method for winning the TDF is sound and works for him, it is also boring.
In a way, AC through down the gauntlet before Lance without totally blowing up the JB team strategy method. And as Sherlock Holmes always would say. "The race is afoot".
I for one am glad that AC made the move. It makes the race more interesting. I'm also glad that he has a different style than Lance or JB as it brings an element of drama into the race. While Lance's method for winning the TDF is sound and works for him, it is also boring.
In a way, AC through down the gauntlet before Lance without totally blowing up the JB team strategy method. And as Sherlock Holmes always would say. "The race is afoot".
07-12-09, 10:12 PM
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You 99ers know nothing of the pre-armstrong tdf.
07-12-09, 10:24 PM
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I am a Menchover, not a 29er sir, and the last three years of the tour was absolutely horrid and an utter disgrace. Ulrich, Landis, Rasmussen, Ricco, and other huge names all get positive tests and are banned. When Lance left it was just a bunch of dopers getting kicked and banned, and the TDF didn't even let AC of Astana defend his title the last year. On top of that, the tour was boring, and had extremely poor ratings, hence a lot of big sponsors jumped ship. Lance coming back was the best thing that could happen to the TDF, and cycling as a sport. I have no doubt that this time, even when Lance does retire as a cyclist, he'll at least be an owner and manager perhaps and still be able to maintain some of the luster after he is done racing.
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The whole macro scenerio is anything but boring. But Lance's racing style in the TDF is.
07-13-09, 11:43 AM
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Just as I predicted, this thread brought out all the Lance haters! They are similar to all the Eddy Merckx haters back in his heyday.
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LOL! And what is the confirmation?
And good lord, PLEASE, don't argue that Armstrong is morally superior. Have you read ANYTHING AT ALL about how he treated some of his teammates, threatened people, sued people, etc? Have you noticed how quickly he goes on the attack and gets mean in the media? Do you realise he has a whole army of lawyers who attack anyone who tries to say anything bad about him?
Why not just admit that you worship Lance and don't care to hear any other point of view?
He was an amazing champion. One of the best EVER. I too loved the guy. However, watching this guy kill a team, put his own glory in front of the success of the team, swear he will have the most sophisticated drug testing in the history of sport and then claim to not be able to afford the cost, beg Contador NOT to leave the team and then crap all over him to the media,leave his longtime girlfriend and date a 20 yr old crackhead, sue everyone in his life, etc., etc., etc., has shown me a new view of his personality. Again, he was one of the best bike racers EVER, but he is NOT a morally superior human being.
Worship away.
And good lord, PLEASE, don't argue that Armstrong is morally superior. Have you read ANYTHING AT ALL about how he treated some of his teammates, threatened people, sued people, etc? Have you noticed how quickly he goes on the attack and gets mean in the media? Do you realise he has a whole army of lawyers who attack anyone who tries to say anything bad about him?
Why not just admit that you worship Lance and don't care to hear any other point of view?
He was an amazing champion. One of the best EVER. I too loved the guy. However, watching this guy kill a team, put his own glory in front of the success of the team, swear he will have the most sophisticated drug testing in the history of sport and then claim to not be able to afford the cost, beg Contador NOT to leave the team and then crap all over him to the media,leave his longtime girlfriend and date a 20 yr old crackhead, sue everyone in his life, etc., etc., etc., has shown me a new view of his personality. Again, he was one of the best bike racers EVER, but he is NOT a morally superior human being.
Worship away.
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get a clue.
Lance is responsible for all the problems with Astana....him and his little boy toy Johan
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I was really hoping that Lance would actually use this Tour as an opportunity to publicize his cancer charity efforts (his stated reason for coming back) and play the good soldier and help out Contador. I think that, as some articles I have read have stated, would get him in good favor with the French, and that could only help his legacy. Unfortunately, he doesn't feel the need to stick to his plan (or that was never his plan in the first place). If Lance continues to fight for the yellow jersey, I will actually lose respect for him.
One thing, though, is that Contador has already had to fight off a teammate to win the Tour before, so he does have experience with this.
One thing, though, is that Contador has already had to fight off a teammate to win the Tour before, so he does have experience with this.
And your right, if he was fighting for Cancer he would gain more respect.
Too bad people like myself saw through him from day 1 in 1999 and not the rest of you'all.
Lance's cancer foundation, although it has done good for millions, has always been a PR thing for Lance.
07-13-09, 02:11 PM
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I have posted this at least twice in threads where you've brought this up. As soon as UCI, whoever, releases the results they post them. Looks to be happening about once a month give or take.
All tests through April are on this link. Seems like it's a little over a month delay before they get results back
Link to Lances test results
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LOL! And what is the confirmation?
And good lord, PLEASE, don't argue that Armstrong is morally superior. Have you read ANYTHING AT ALL about how he treated some of his teammates, threatened people, sued people, etc? Have you noticed how quickly he goes on the attack and gets mean in the media? Do you realise he has a whole army of lawyers who attack anyone who tries to say anything bad about him?
Why not just admit that you worship Lance and don't care to hear any other point of view?
He was an amazing champion. One of the best EVER. I too loved the guy. However, watching this guy kill a team, put his own glory in front of the success of the team, swear he will have the most sophisticated drug testing in the history of sport and then claim to not be able to afford the cost, beg Contador NOT to leave the team and then crap all over him to the media,leave his longtime girlfriend and date a 20 yr old crackhead, sue everyone in his life, etc., etc., etc., has shown me a new view of his personality. Again, he was one of the best bike racers EVER, but he is NOT a morally superior human being.
Worship away.
And good lord, PLEASE, don't argue that Armstrong is morally superior. Have you read ANYTHING AT ALL about how he treated some of his teammates, threatened people, sued people, etc? Have you noticed how quickly he goes on the attack and gets mean in the media? Do you realise he has a whole army of lawyers who attack anyone who tries to say anything bad about him?
Why not just admit that you worship Lance and don't care to hear any other point of view?
He was an amazing champion. One of the best EVER. I too loved the guy. However, watching this guy kill a team, put his own glory in front of the success of the team, swear he will have the most sophisticated drug testing in the history of sport and then claim to not be able to afford the cost, beg Contador NOT to leave the team and then crap all over him to the media,leave his longtime girlfriend and date a 20 yr old crackhead, sue everyone in his life, etc., etc., etc., has shown me a new view of his personality. Again, he was one of the best bike racers EVER, but he is NOT a morally superior human being.
Worship away.
Years of nursing Lance to victories, then finally he rides with other people and snatches a stage win for himself.
Big George even said that he was thinking of quitting, but after joining Columbia he actually loves racing again. Ouch!! Sorry Lance, making such a nice guy like George wanna quit the sport, just goes to show you what a D-bag Lance is. Its all about him.
And even now, a young hopeful is being screwed by this old man with some serious issues. What a shame.
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INCORRECT
I have posted this at least twice in threads where you've brought this up. As soon as UCI, whoever, releases the results they post them. Looks to be happening about once a month give or take.
All tests through April are on this link. Seems like it's a little over a month delay before they get results back
Link to Lances test results
I have posted this at least twice in threads where you've brought this up. As soon as UCI, whoever, releases the results they post them. Looks to be happening about once a month give or take.
All tests through April are on this link. Seems like it's a little over a month delay before they get results back
Link to Lances test results
First off, that little PDF is just the test results from the UCI. ITS NOT THE PROGRAM LANCE SAID HE WAS DEVELOPING.
It was meant to be the most state of the art testing program ever devised. That pathetic PDF you posted is nothing.
Anyway, half the slots on that PDF arent even filled in. Its half N/A or "not tested"
In addition, that PDF was altered and re-uploaded a few times and people have different numbers from earlier PDFs that were switched out on that website. Maybe you need to look into that PDF yourself.
There was a whole thread on people asking what was going on on some other forum somewhere