So if Jens Voigt is that hurt
07-21-09, 02:15 PM
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That video shows a pretty clear rut in the road. Yikes.
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07-21-09, 02:17 PM
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To address the OPs concerns about the thread. I don't see this as a ruinous sort of spoiler. IMO, "spoilers' reveal overall results of current races, not details from the race. Since the topic is relevant and concerns a popular rider and is getting conversation I'm not in favor of deleting it.
Overall, I tend to agree with botto (heaven help me
) regarding spoilers in general but would appreciate it if actual spoilers went into the Pro Cycling Forum.
Overall, I tend to agree with botto (heaven help me
) regarding spoilers in general but would appreciate it if actual spoilers went into the Pro Cycling Forum.
07-21-09, 02:23 PM
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07-21-09, 02:31 PM
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After watching that crucial moment on the video several time, it looks like his left hand was transitioning from brake hoods to drops at a bad moment. I hate it and I hope he's okay. 
07-21-09, 02:34 PM
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Maybe it was the cable routing.
07-21-09, 02:43 PM
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I've been bumped out of the seat a few times, even had a bump get my hands off the bars once. Never been bumped while shifting hand positions. Hope he's going to be ok, that was terrible.
07-21-09, 02:43 PM
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Yep, and it looks like he tried to re-grab and missed. Bummer.
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07-21-09, 03:53 PM
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Well I guess that's good news, but look at his message to the team what a great guy.
Well I guess that's good news, but look at his message to the team what a great guy.
07-21-09, 04:17 PM
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I just watched the crash in HD, frame by frame.
Jens went towards the bump, hands resting on the hoods, elbows straight, left leg straight, bottom solidly planted on the saddle.
The bump loosed his grip from the bars and launched him off the saddle. The rear wheel clearly came off the ground, also.
Bummer, sorry it had to happen to one of my favorite riders. But I noticed he was violating a few of the important safety rules of descending:
1. On technical descents, use the drops instead of the hoods.
2. Keep a firm grip on the bars at all times.
3. Maintain a relaxed bend in your elbows.
4. Carry most of your weight on your pedals, not your saddle.
Ride safe.
From Armstrong's twitter page: "Just heard from Frank Schleck that Jens is doing ok. Good news."
Jens went towards the bump, hands resting on the hoods, elbows straight, left leg straight, bottom solidly planted on the saddle.
The bump loosed his grip from the bars and launched him off the saddle. The rear wheel clearly came off the ground, also.
Bummer, sorry it had to happen to one of my favorite riders. But I noticed he was violating a few of the important safety rules of descending:
1. On technical descents, use the drops instead of the hoods.
2. Keep a firm grip on the bars at all times.
3. Maintain a relaxed bend in your elbows.
4. Carry most of your weight on your pedals, not your saddle.
Ride safe.
From Armstrong's twitter page: "Just heard from Frank Schleck that Jens is doing ok. Good news."
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07-21-09, 04:39 PM
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Well I guess that's good news, but look at his message to the team what a great guy.
Well I guess that's good news, but look at his message to the team what a great guy.
07-21-09, 04:55 PM
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Although I don't want to derail the thread, can someone quickly explain this to me? I've only been riding for a few years and have never done any descent that would be described as "technical," but on high-speed descents I always feel much more comfortable coming out of the drops and onto the hoods. I feel much more stable and feel like I am more in control. Is my perception wrong?
07-21-09, 04:58 PM
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07-21-09, 06:04 PM
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Although I don't want to derail the thread, can someone quickly explain this to me? I've only been riding for a few years and have never done any descent that would be described as "technical," but on high-speed descents I always feel much more comfortable coming out of the drops and onto the hoods. I feel much more stable and feel like I am more in control. Is my perception wrong?
On the hoods, you're working harder to squeeze the brakes, and if you hit a big bump, the only thing keeping your hands on is your grip strength. That is, *if* you were paying attention.
07-21-09, 06:08 PM
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Here is what happened after seeing the replay on one of the links on steephill.tv:
On the descent, Jens was applying the front brakes (probably the rear too), when the front wheel hit the painted divider, it slipped and the bike was out of control at that point. Those painted white lines have caused cyclist grief in the past, 2 or 3 years ago I remembered a racer going down on a TTT after hitting it.
Good to know that he appears to be alright now... although he won't be back in the saddle anytime soon.
On the descent, Jens was applying the front brakes (probably the rear too), when the front wheel hit the painted divider, it slipped and the bike was out of control at that point. Those painted white lines have caused cyclist grief in the past, 2 or 3 years ago I remembered a racer going down on a TTT after hitting it.
Good to know that he appears to be alright now... although he won't be back in the saddle anytime soon.
07-21-09, 06:24 PM
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It seemed to coincide with the bike passing over that painted white line as cyclocommuter observed. That's the first thing that occurred to me after seeing the replays on TV.
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The hoods 'capture' your hands vertically because your hands are nestled in an arc that is a smaller radius than the rotation of your elbow, and the bars extend both above and below. If you hit a harsh bump, your hand will only move up or down so far, and you have a much better chance of regaining control. You also have a much better grip on the brakes.
Another benefit of descending on the drops: if you have the need to brake hard, it' much easier to push back with your hands and keep your body from moving forward with respect to the bike. The hard braking position is pushing back against the drops, with your chest low and butt off the back of the saddle.
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Here is what happened after seeing the replay on one of the links on steephill.tv:
On the descent, Jens was applying the front brakes (probably the rear too), when the front wheel hit the painted divider, it slipped and the bike was out of control at that point. Those painted white lines have caused cyclist grief in the past, 2 or 3 years ago I remembered a racer going down on a TTT after hitting it.
Good to know that he appears to be alright now... although he won't be back in the saddle anytime soon.
On the descent, Jens was applying the front brakes (probably the rear too), when the front wheel hit the painted divider, it slipped and the bike was out of control at that point. Those painted white lines have caused cyclist grief in the past, 2 or 3 years ago I remembered a racer going down on a TTT after hitting it.
Good to know that he appears to be alright now... although he won't be back in the saddle anytime soon.