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Old 07-24-09, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior


We are glad that, "in your book" all is well.

Like you have any clue...
WTF is your point?
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Old 07-24-09, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by erader
did you see the grimace on contador's face today when he smoked the TT? i swear he looked like a baby miguel indurain, who as we all know was one of the few clean TDF champions .

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Contador has not tested positive. Until and unless he does there is nothing to discuss.

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Old 07-24-09, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jim6b
Just ask LA. If they want to know about AC's performance measurements, LA knows what they are. And is likely to tell it "like it is."

FWIW, in interview after Verbier LA said that he could not keep up with AC and to emphasis the point LA related that AC's numbers were much higher than LA had a few years ago when he was in his prime.

Have attempted to relocate the URL for reference, regretfully it has apparently been erased as cite does not archive.
maybe lance really is the next greg lemond .

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Old 07-24-09, 12:30 PM
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Look all I know is no matter how many of them dope, I will still get on my bike on Sundays and love every punishing minute of it.

All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.

So why make a big deal of this.
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Originally Posted by julian
Agreed, but it is great performances that people demand and crave. We live in a world of fantasy, and watching 180 guys, not on the juice "racing" for 3 weeks would probably not fit in with what people want today. Bigger, faster, stronger, quicker don't come without costs.
Incorrect. If none of them were on juice, the average speed would a few mph slower, but it would be just as interesting and exciting.
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Old 07-24-09, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by redneckwes
I hope he's clean for the sake of the tour.

But as some other people have said, he does not even look like he's stressed.

Shades of Ricardo Ricco last year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Ricco

I guess we wait and see.

This is exactly what I was thinking when he was his first stage this year!!!
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
Look all I know is no matter how many of them dope, I will still get on my bike on Sundays and love every punishing minute of it.

All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.

So why make a big deal of this.
Funny!

But the bottom line is if you love to bike you shouldn't let pros destroy it for you. You know good and well that most group riders are clean, and it usually is the guy who puts the time in and is willing to suffer, who will prevail.

Again, there is not sport that money hasn't screwed up.
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Originally Posted by julian
Funny!

But the bottom line is if you love to bike you shouldn't let pros destroy it for you. You know good and well that most group riders are clean, and it usually is the guy who puts the time in and is willing to suffer, who will prevail.

Again, there is not sport that money hasn't screwed up.
But the bottom line is that's what I just said.

Also I see plenty of guys that are obvs on something at local races.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Contador has not tested positive. Until and unless he does there is nothing to discuss.

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Agreed, and should be the last word on this subject
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Originally Posted by LesDiablesRouge
Why anyone thinks any rider is clean is beyond me. Testing is great but there will always be technology that is ahead of the doping controls.
And if you really believe that, why bother following cycling?

Sorry, folks, blame it on my American heritage, but I'm a firm believer in "innocent until PROVEN guilty." And I'm not particularly interested in speculating who could be guilty. The energy wasted on that could do me another 10 miles of roadwork per day, or a good half hour chasing the trails through my woods.
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there is a pattern in the sport. a history of top riders doping. it doesnt ruin my passion for my cycling. it will not ruin my enjoyment of tomorrow's stage. sure AC is innocent until proven (tested) guilty. my point is and always will be that if i want to pose the question of "doping" i can. its a legitimate question based on a past, current, and likely future pattern of behavior. later.
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Originally Posted by aham23
there is a pattern in the sport. a history of top riders doping. it doesnt ruin my passion for my cycling. it will not ruin my enjoyment of tomorrow's stage. sure AC is innocent until proven (tested) guilty. my point is and always will be that if i want to pose the question of "doping" i can. its a legitimate question based on a past, current, and likely future pattern of behavior. later.
i think they all dope, but all i really care about is how they deal with it when they get busted.

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Bitter--

I thought contador crashed and got the head injury?
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Originally Posted by bitterspeak

Anyway, Contador's "blood clot" was diagnosed as a cerebral cavernoma, a congenital vascular disorder. So you're wrong regardless.
Comments retracted.

Its seems that to follow cycling with regards to doping one has to either be a cynic, an apologist, or plain oblivious. Perhaps I'm a cynic.

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Originally Posted by signalnc
Bitter--

I thought contador crashed and got the head injury?
Contador did fall, but it was the cavernoma that caused him to fall.

Edit: As in, the cavernoma made him feel sick and dizzy, and he fell.
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Originally Posted by roadgator
I'll admit that my argument is a bit of a conspiracy theory, but the cavernoma could just be a made-up alibi itself. If one is already doping, what is distorting your medical record (vanishing twins anyone....)? Short of having his medical records published, we're all making assumptions on this matter.

Its seems that to follow cycling with regards to doping one has to either be a cynic, an apologist, or plain oblivious. Perhaps I'm a cynic.
Of course. The cavernoma could definitely be made-up. But like I mentioned: it's assuming that he values winning so much more that he is willing to risk his life again by doping, when his first "blood clot" was caused by doping.
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I give Contador the benefit of the doubt, and say NO. Even with the suspicions surrounding him of not giving out his V02 max in that press interview, tour being so easy for him, and him beating Fabian on the TT..I'd still give the guy the benefit of the doubt until he tests positive, or if the french police find syringes under his pillow, whichever come first.
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why of course AC is clean as the driven snow,a European is back on top,the stars in the heavens have realigned after wondering since 1999,nature is back in balance,the earth is spinning without it's usual wobble once again.......
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Contador has not tested positive. Until and unless he does there is nothing to discuss.

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Originally Posted by bellweatherman
There was a slew of cyclists that died of heart attack in the 90s. Otherwise, healthy young athletes with no prior health problems. It was suspected that all of them were on EPO, which thickens the blood and puts the person at risk for blood clotting. This is one of the reasons for saline infusions to decrease the viscosity of the blood as well as lowering the measured hematocrit.
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I'll admit that my argument is a bit of a conspiracy theory, but the cavernoma could just be a made-up alibi itself. .......
Now if we sub "Armstrong" for "Contador" and "testicular cancer" for "cavernoma" you have a completely unfounded, unfair and really petty sounding attack on Lance Armstrong. The resulting hue and cry would probably overload the servers as people rallied to Armstrong's defense and criticized both the post and the poster as a "hater."

With this "stuff" worded the way it is though all of the people who would be out looking for torches are instead nodding their heads in agreement. "Yep, wouldn't surprise me a bit if Contador was doped to the gills.."

Amazing depth of knowledge here.....
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There is no way that I can believe that Contador and Lance are not dopping. You have a 140 plus riders including the Schelecks that look like they are about to fall over and these two guys are smilling on the way up. Come on !
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Originally Posted by Green Jager
There is no way that I can believe that Contador and Lance are not dopping. You have a 140 plus riders including the Schelecks that look like they are about to fall over and these two guys are smilling on the way up. Come on !
Doping should give you a 10 to 15 percent advantage, so not you cannot convince me that if both those guys are doping, that the other 140 are not.
I saw pain on Armstrong today. I didn't study AC that much. But Frank looked like he was going through all sorts of hell.
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Goodie there's another one. Don't worry Santas coming.

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Originally Posted by Green Jager
There is no way that I can believe that Contador and Lance are not dopping. You have a 140 plus riders including the Schelecks that look like they are about to fall over and these two guys are smilling on the way up. Come on !
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Oh brother!!!!! Will it ever end?
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