Contador, doped or not?
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Contador has not tested positive. Until and unless he does there is nothing to discuss.
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Just ask LA. If they want to know about AC's performance measurements, LA knows what they are. And is likely to tell it "like it is."
FWIW, in interview after Verbier LA said that he could not keep up with AC and to emphasis the point LA related that AC's numbers were much higher than LA had a few years ago when he was in his prime.
Have attempted to relocate the URL for reference, regretfully it has apparently been erased as cite does not archive.
FWIW, in interview after Verbier LA said that he could not keep up with AC and to emphasis the point LA related that AC's numbers were much higher than LA had a few years ago when he was in his prime.
Have attempted to relocate the URL for reference, regretfully it has apparently been erased as cite does not archive.
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Look all I know is no matter how many of them dope, I will still get on my bike on Sundays and love every punishing minute of it.
All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.
So why make a big deal of this.
All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.
So why make a big deal of this.
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Agreed, but it is great performances that people demand and crave. We live in a world of fantasy, and watching 180 guys, not on the juice "racing" for 3 weeks would probably not fit in with what people want today. Bigger, faster, stronger, quicker don't come without costs.
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I hope he's clean for the sake of the tour.
But as some other people have said, he does not even look like he's stressed.
Shades of Ricardo Ricco last year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Ricco
I guess we wait and see.
But as some other people have said, he does not even look like he's stressed.
Shades of Ricardo Ricco last year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Ricco
I guess we wait and see.
This is exactly what I was thinking when he was his first stage this year!!!
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Look all I know is no matter how many of them dope, I will still get on my bike on Sundays and love every punishing minute of it.
All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.
So why make a big deal of this.
All those pros doping just proves how much stronger this sport is than all of us, they just need drugs to cope.
So why make a big deal of this.
But the bottom line is if you love to bike you shouldn't let pros destroy it for you. You know good and well that most group riders are clean, and it usually is the guy who puts the time in and is willing to suffer, who will prevail.
Again, there is not sport that money hasn't screwed up.
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Funny!
But the bottom line is if you love to bike you shouldn't let pros destroy it for you. You know good and well that most group riders are clean, and it usually is the guy who puts the time in and is willing to suffer, who will prevail.
Again, there is not sport that money hasn't screwed up.
But the bottom line is if you love to bike you shouldn't let pros destroy it for you. You know good and well that most group riders are clean, and it usually is the guy who puts the time in and is willing to suffer, who will prevail.
Again, there is not sport that money hasn't screwed up.
Also I see plenty of guys that are obvs on something at local races.
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Sorry, folks, blame it on my American heritage, but I'm a firm believer in "innocent until PROVEN guilty." And I'm not particularly interested in speculating who could be guilty. The energy wasted on that could do me another 10 miles of roadwork per day, or a good half hour chasing the trails through my woods.
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there is a pattern in the sport. a history of top riders doping. it doesnt ruin my passion for my cycling. it will not ruin my enjoyment of tomorrow's stage. sure AC is innocent until proven (tested) guilty. my point is and always will be that if i want to pose the question of "doping" i can. its a legitimate question based on a past, current, and likely future pattern of behavior. later.
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there is a pattern in the sport. a history of top riders doping. it doesnt ruin my passion for my cycling. it will not ruin my enjoyment of tomorrow's stage. sure AC is innocent until proven (tested) guilty. my point is and always will be that if i want to pose the question of "doping" i can. its a legitimate question based on a past, current, and likely future pattern of behavior. later.
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Its seems that to follow cycling with regards to doping one has to either be a cynic, an apologist, or plain oblivious. Perhaps I'm a cynic.
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I'll admit that my argument is a bit of a conspiracy theory, but the cavernoma could just be a made-up alibi itself. If one is already doping, what is distorting your medical record (vanishing twins anyone....)? Short of having his medical records published, we're all making assumptions on this matter.
Its seems that to follow cycling with regards to doping one has to either be a cynic, an apologist, or plain oblivious. Perhaps I'm a cynic.
Its seems that to follow cycling with regards to doping one has to either be a cynic, an apologist, or plain oblivious. Perhaps I'm a cynic.
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I give Contador the benefit of the doubt, and say NO. Even with the suspicions surrounding him of not giving out his V02 max in that press interview, tour being so easy for him, and him beating Fabian on the TT..I'd still give the guy the benefit of the doubt until he tests positive, or if the french police find syringes under his pillow, whichever come first.
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why of course AC is clean as the driven snow,a European is back on top,the stars in the heavens have realigned after wondering since 1999,nature is back in balance,the earth is spinning without it's usual wobble once again.......
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Contador had emergency brain surgery in 2004 to remove a life-threatening blood clot. He has a titanium plate in his skull as a consequence of the surgery.
Why would an otherwise "healthy" 24 year-old have a blood clot in his head? i dunno.......
Medical side effects. EPO commonly "thickens" blood which causes additional circulatory strain as well as damming (clotting) in smaller blood vessels.
At least you can admire the dedication. He's missing a piece of his brain for cycling.
Why would an otherwise "healthy" 24 year-old have a blood clot in his head? i dunno.......
Medical side effects. EPO commonly "thickens" blood which causes additional circulatory strain as well as damming (clotting) in smaller blood vessels.
At least you can admire the dedication. He's missing a piece of his brain for cycling.
There was a slew of cyclists that died of heart attack in the 90s. Otherwise, healthy young athletes with no prior health problems. It was suspected that all of them were on EPO, which thickens the blood and puts the person at risk for blood clotting. This is one of the reasons for saline infusions to decrease the viscosity of the blood as well as lowering the measured hematocrit.
With this "stuff" worded the way it is though all of the people who would be out looking for torches are instead nodding their heads in agreement. "Yep, wouldn't surprise me a bit if Contador was doped to the gills.."
Amazing depth of knowledge here.....
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There is no way that I can believe that Contador and Lance are not dopping. You have a 140 plus riders including the Schelecks that look like they are about to fall over and these two guys are smilling on the way up. Come on !
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I saw pain on Armstrong today. I didn't study AC that much. But Frank looked like he was going through all sorts of hell.
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Goodie there's another one. Don't worry Santas coming.
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Oh brother!!!!! Will it ever end?
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