Hinault Doubts Armstrong
07-19-04, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SamDaBikinMan
Hinault is a Frenchman you know. This is normal behavior for them.
Backstabbing, treason, lying, cheating, swapping sides when the balance is tipped are all typical French behavioral patterns that we see not only in TDF but in every day dealings with them on almost any issues.
Backstabbing, treason, lying, cheating, swapping sides when the balance is tipped are all typical French behavioral patterns that we see not only in TDF but in every day dealings with them on almost any issues.
07-19-04, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bac
Sam, have you spent time in France, or is this just what you've heard from the right, and are now paroting it about like a good lap dog should? I think I know the answer. Such an absurd statement can only be born of ignorance.
Sorry, I should not have even mentioned anything of this type outside the politics forum. I was a bad little boy.
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07-19-04, 10:05 AM
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Sam, you forgot to mention the BO.
50 50 seems to be fantastic odds to win the tour, basically its like saying if LA has no accidents he will win. It also says the rest of the peloton gets to divide up that other 50% chance at winning between themselves. No dis here.
50 50 seems to be fantastic odds to win the tour, basically its like saying if LA has no accidents he will win. It also says the rest of the peloton gets to divide up that other 50% chance at winning between themselves. No dis here.
07-19-04, 10:19 AM
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RE: Hinault's comments originally -- I have to agree, coming as they did right after the TTT win, that these were insulting, a personal jab motivated by a little jealousy.
RE: Hinault's defense of Lance against Lemond's idiotic accusations -- You've got to remember how much rage lance has...I'm positive he heard what Hinault said, and I can only imagine Lance's response to Hinault the next time they saw each other...Hinault had to backpedal, he was probably afraid lance was gonna tear him apart...or worse yet, not ride in his tour next year, and all the sudden all the american fans, OLN, everythings back to the pre-lance status quo.
RE: Hinault's defense of Lance against Lemond's idiotic accusations -- You've got to remember how much rage lance has...I'm positive he heard what Hinault said, and I can only imagine Lance's response to Hinault the next time they saw each other...Hinault had to backpedal, he was probably afraid lance was gonna tear him apart...or worse yet, not ride in his tour next year, and all the sudden all the american fans, OLN, everythings back to the pre-lance status quo.
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Originally Posted by SamDaBikinMan
Hinault is a Frenchman you know. This is normal behavior for them.
Backstabbing, treason, lying, cheating, swapping sides when the balance is tipped are all typical French behavioral patterns that we see not only in TDF but in every day dealings with them on almost any issues.
Backstabbing, treason, lying, cheating, swapping sides when the balance is tipped are all typical French behavioral patterns that we see not only in TDF but in every day dealings with them on almost any issues.
Hinault doesn't predict Armstrong will win and suddenly it's backstabbing, trason, lying, cheating...
Too much.
Btw, what are you basing that articulate stereotype of the French on? Some guy named Pierre who lives in your appartment building?
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07-19-04, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillig
Hinault doesn't predict Armstrong will win and suddenly it's backstabbing, trason, lying, cheating...
I guess Hinault would have to have said that Armstrong has a %99 chance of winning for him not to be an evil, lying, treasonous Frenchman
07-19-04, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by s2sxiii
...or worse yet, not ride in his tour next year, and all the sudden all the american fans, OLN, everythings back to the pre-lance status quo.
07-19-04, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ1960
And this would hurt the Tour how? Do you realy think that the Tour de France is here because of OLN and it did not exist before Lance, all the American fans etc.? I appreciate the publicity for TdF in North America very much and it would be nice if it stayed longer, but get real. There are few sports (and other events too) out there that are well and healthy even without much interest shown by Americans.
07-19-04, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by s2sxiii
"Get real" -- for all the tradition and history, the tour is a business, they want Lance to ride next year, and for purely selfish reasons. The organizers, Hinault especially, are arrogant enough to say the same thing you did, but when it comes down to it, they want the money, just like everyone else.
07-19-04, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ1960
Well, that is exactelly what everyone is telling you! The Tour is a business that has existed for 101 years now and it will exist further, with or without American participation. Yes, the business will not be as good without USPS, but only for OLN, maybe Trek and others, but the "old country" bikes will still sell very well, the Europsport will have their viewers etc. What do you think, how many people are going to buy new bikes in France this year because Thomas did what he did and how many, in France again, are going to do the same because (and if) LA gets the sixth one? What do you think would happen if Jan won with the cycling business in Germany?
The TOUR IS A BUSINESS. "OLD COUNTRY" BIKES (whatever the **** those are) are a BUSINESS. There is a correlation, but the finances I was speaking of are those THE TOUR ITSELF MAKES. The money from advertisers, sponsors, media, etc. etc., the money the tour uses to pay Hinault to organize. Sure they could get along without LA, but they're greedy. The Tour de France is not a non-profit organization as far as i know, so I will explain my above point in poor grammar and broken english in hopes it will get through to you on the third try.
$$$ for Hinault (and Tour) with LA riding > $$$ for Hinault (and Tour) without LA riding.
Hinault (and Tour) want mo' money, so Hinault (and Tour) not try to anger LA anymore.
07-19-04, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by s2sxiii
Canadians....
The TOUR IS A BUSINESS. "OLD COUNTRY" BIKES (whatever the **** those are) are a BUSINESS. There is a correlation, but the finances I was speaking of are those THE TOUR ITSELF MAKES. The money from advertisers, sponsors, media, etc. etc., the money the tour uses to pay Hinault to organize. Sure they could get along without LA, but they're greedy. The Tour de France is not a non-profit organization as far as i know, so I will explain my above point in poor grammar and broken english in hopes it will get through to you on the third try.
$$$ for Hinault (and Tour) with LA riding > $$$ for Hinault (and Tour) without LA riding.
Hinault (and Tour) want mo' money, so Hinault (and Tour) not try to anger LA anymore.
The TOUR IS A BUSINESS. "OLD COUNTRY" BIKES (whatever the **** those are) are a BUSINESS. There is a correlation, but the finances I was speaking of are those THE TOUR ITSELF MAKES. The money from advertisers, sponsors, media, etc. etc., the money the tour uses to pay Hinault to organize. Sure they could get along without LA, but they're greedy. The Tour de France is not a non-profit organization as far as i know, so I will explain my above point in poor grammar and broken english in hopes it will get through to you on the third try.
$$$ for Hinault (and Tour) with LA riding > $$$ for Hinault (and Tour) without LA riding.
Hinault (and Tour) want mo' money, so Hinault (and Tour) not try to anger LA anymore.
07-19-04, 12:57 PM
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Well, Lance would not sit out the Tour to get back at Hinault. It's his life. The thing that Lance brings to the Tour is a larger amount of US dollars coming into those cities included in the Tour. Their are a huge number of US citizens traveling to see the Tour. That number will drop when the brash Texan personality that they love no longer competes. Unless another American superstar comes along to take his place. However, the Tour will continue on long and strong without it. People in the US don't watch cricket and it's doing just fine over there.
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It's interesting...in 99 and 00 this was a great story of a guy who survived 14 malignant tumors and had a 40% chance of living coming back to win the most difficult sporting event in the world.
People seem to have forgotten all of that.
Maybe some of the other record holders (and one other cyclist) along with the rest of the professionals in the race cannot believe that they are getting trounced by a guy who went through the brutality of chemotherapy.
Impossibility defeated.
Again.
Go Lance. No prisoners. Make them all suffer.
Then ride into the sunset.
Never bet against a Texan.
People seem to have forgotten all of that.
Maybe some of the other record holders (and one other cyclist) along with the rest of the professionals in the race cannot believe that they are getting trounced by a guy who went through the brutality of chemotherapy.
Impossibility defeated.
Again.
Go Lance. No prisoners. Make them all suffer.
Then ride into the sunset.
Never bet against a Texan.
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Hinault has proposed that Armstrong has a huge advantage over his rivals because he races so little.
I guess he thinks that if Ullrich, Mayo, Heras, Hamilton, Zubeldia, Basso all raced as little as Armstrong, then Armstrong wouldn't be able to win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all of his rivals done as much 'secretive' training as Armstrong has?
Sound like a dumb comment from Hinault, if you ask me.
I guess he thinks that if Ullrich, Mayo, Heras, Hamilton, Zubeldia, Basso all raced as little as Armstrong, then Armstrong wouldn't be able to win.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't all of his rivals done as much 'secretive' training as Armstrong has?
Sound like a dumb comment from Hinault, if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by RiPHRaPH
all greats have bravado and machismo. when you have won on a big stage there is always that big ego. people see how hollow their comments are. and you know how diminishing these french and europeans are when it comes to americans accomplishments, weather its bike racing or winning wars.
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he (Hinault), is just very selfish, why because he wants the 5 wins of the Tour to stand for ever....., and that is not the case...
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Originally Posted by Provence
Can't recall you lot winning in Korea, Vietnam or Somalia. The Iraq war has proven to be illegal and you only managed to beat us because you had the assistance of a huge FRENCH army !..oh how ironic !
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Originally Posted by Provence
The Iraq war has proven to be illegal
Thanks.
BTW..proof would be hard facts. Not opinion. Not blathering. Hard facts.
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Originally Posted by lotek
yeah, but we pulled your fat out of the fire during WWII or did you forget about that one?
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