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Old 10-23-09, 10:58 PM
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Great news if he is able to leave. He would have prolly won in 08 had Astana been invited. Best of luck to ya Pistolero!!
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Old 10-23-09, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Innergetic View Post
Bullllllll
Vuelta maybe, but Giro? aww hell no! You need to speak to some Italians my friend...
My post sailed completely over your head.
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Old 10-23-09, 11:52 PM
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good for him. hope he will find a team that will help him crush LA next year.
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Old 10-23-09, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OrionKhan View Post
Why in the world would he even consider Radioshack? Didn't you even watch this year's TdF? He'd probably choose Astana over Radioshack at this point. Astana is a longshot to even be around next year. And its highly unlikely that AC is going to want to have anything to do with LA and JB anymore.
he wouldn't of course. anyone except a zip damn fool would know that

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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
My post sailed completely over your head.
Yep, he bit hook, line, and sinker.
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Old 10-24-09, 04:08 PM
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he wouldn't of course. anyone except a zip damn fool would know that

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Unfortunately, there are quite a few of those that like to post on BF.
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Unfortunately, there are quite a few of those that like to post on BF.
i used to think it was an act but now i'm not so sure .

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Old 10-24-09, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hezz View Post
There is still a question of if this relatively new UCI rule can apply to Contador because he signed his contract with Astana before this rule was put into place. Under normal circumstances the original contract would hold. I think his best hope is that Astana can't get everything into place by november 20th. In which case Astana would lose their pro tour license.
Didn't Zubeldia sign relatively recently? That means he's (probably) gone.

I wonder if Astana will have enough riders left to have 12 signed contracts by Nov. 20?
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"If Alberto Contador leaves tomorrow, we can only say that this option would be complying with our rules," confirmed UCI spokesman Enrico Carpani to Cyclingnews on Friday evening.
I dunno if it really means he's free to leave. The UCI isn't a government. It may be okay with UCI, but I bet Alberto could still be sued - with a good chance at a judgment - for breach of contract. I wonder what the controlling jurisdiction is? The team is based in Luxembourg, so I hear.

OTOH, if the contract has a clause like "hereby incorporates all Rules and Regulations of UCI", then he's clear. But without the contract no one can know that for sure.
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Old 10-24-09, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DMF View Post
I dunno if it really means he's free to leave. The UCI isn't a government. It may be okay with UCI, but I bet Alberto could still be sued - with a good chance at a judgment - for breach of contract. I wonder what the controlling jurisdiction is? The team is based in Luxembourg, so I hear.

OTOH, if the contract has a clause like "hereby incorporates all Rules and Regulations of UCI", then he's clear. But without the contract no one can know that for sure.
The whole point of him being under contract is to ride in races which UCI regulates, or plays an auxiliary role in regulating. Face it. Astana can't stop him from leaving if he chooses to.
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Old 10-25-09, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DMF View Post
I dunno if it really means he's free to leave. The UCI isn't a government. It may be okay with UCI, but I bet Alberto could still be sued - with a good chance at a judgment - for breach of contract. I wonder what the controlling jurisdiction is? The team is based in Luxembourg, so I hear.

OTOH, if the contract has a clause like "hereby incorporates all Rules and Regulations of UCI", then he's clear. But without the contract no one can know that for sure.
The UCI is the governing body. If Astana doesn't have a license then its a moot point. The UCI has to grant it to them. The way its going with Astana, they won't have team to race next season. Let alone be worried about Contador. There is greater chance of AC suing Astana than vice versa.

There's a lot of wishful thinking by the fanboys hoping that AC will be stuck on Astana.
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Old 10-25-09, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DMF View Post
Didn't Zubeldia sign relatively recently? That means he's (probably) gone.

I wonder if Astana will have enough riders left to have 12 signed contracts by Nov. 20?
I haven't heard about Zubeldia yet. But it looks like he will be free to go now at this point according to UCI's interpretation of the rule.
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Old 10-25-09, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DMF View Post
I dunno if it really means he's free to leave. The UCI isn't a government. It may be okay with UCI, but I bet Alberto could still be sued - with a good chance at a judgment - for breach of contract. I wonder what the controlling jurisdiction is? The team is based in Luxembourg, so I hear.

OTOH, if the contract has a clause like "hereby incorporates all Rules and Regulations of UCI", then he's clear. But without the contract no one can know that for sure.
Most likely the contracts have to comply with UCI regulations but since the rule wasn't in place when the contract was signed it may leave a loophole for Astana suing Alberto. However, since suing Alberto would be in conflict with the spirit of what the UCI wants to accomplish with this rule. If they did, the UCI would probably withhold a license from Astana for unprofessional team conduct.
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Old 10-25-09, 03:13 PM
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UCI already said he can move. Astana has broken the rules. Contador is free to go. Simple as that.
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Old 10-26-09, 10:47 AM
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Out of the 4 options (Astana, Quick Step, Garmin and Caisse d'Epargne), of course Astana is the least attractive choice with Quick Step fairly close. Quick Step's history of signing riders with Tour gc aspirations and/or managing and then implementing a strategy for the same has been abysmal. They signed 2 Spaniards years ago as Tour gc contenders and I'd challenge anyone to first name them and then tell what the hell happened to them. They're likely on some Continental team or completely out of the sport. They more recently convinced Stijn Devolder that he was a grand tour gc contender. That worked out swell.

Caisse has the best lineup to support Contador without reliving the drama of Astana 2009. Valverde has been quoted as saying that he would support Contador at the Tour and has no qualms about him joining the team. Although they've lost the rising star Joaquim Rodriguez to Katusha, they've signed Juan Mauricio Soler and Juan Jose Cobo, two fine climbers with excellent grand tour pedigrees. They have a fine mixture of up and coming riders like Rui Costa, Daniel Moreno, Jose Joaquin Rojas, Rigoberto Uran and of course Luis Leon Sanchez among others.

Garmin being an American team would be somewhat of a divided house with Farrar rising as an elite sprinter, Wiggins rising as a Tour contender (at least in his mind with his newly inflated ego) and Vande Velde returning to top form after his extensive injuries from the Giro. I think Wiggins primarily would be less than agreeable to the addition of Contador right when he thinks that he's shown that he can be a factor in the Tour. Farrar and Vande Velde seem grounded and would take whatever is left from Contador's scheduled goals, but not Wiggins in my opinion.
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I too agree that Caisse d'Epargne would be Alberto's best choice. If the finances can be worked out. Short of that it looks like Garmin is the next best choice for him.
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Garmin being an American team would be somewhat of a divided house with Farrar rising as an elite sprinter, Wiggins rising as a Tour contender (at least in his mind with his newly inflated ego) and Vande Velde returning to top form after his extensive injuries from the Giro. I think Wiggins primarily would be less than agreeable to the addition of Contador right when he thinks that he's shown that he can be a factor in the Tour. Farrar and Vande Velde seem grounded and would take whatever is left from Contador's scheduled goals, but not Wiggins in my opinion.
Isn't it expected that Wiggins will go to Skye once his contract is up?
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Isn't it expected that Wiggins will go to Skye once his contract is up?
Not sure about that. It would make perfect sense if he does go, now that they've signed up a couple of promising young riders. Still, Sky as it is now is hardly a top tier team on par with Garmin. Since Vande Velde is a nice enough guy to concede GC leadership to Wiggins, ego shouldn't be a problem.

Contador seems to be a rather reticent guy who prefers hanging around his compatriots. From the looks of it, Caisse is the perfect choice.
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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
My post sailed completely over your head.
I feel silly... Was the hook line and sinker comment really necessary? But yes, I feel silly.

And I'm switching my guess to Caisse, going off the Valverde quote and the fact that is a primarily Spanish team.
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I feel silly... Was the hook line and sinker comment really necessary? But yes, I feel silly.
No, it wasn't necessary. Just pokin' fun.
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Originally Posted by DMF View Post
I dunno if it really means he's free to leave. The UCI isn't a government. It may be okay with UCI, but I bet Alberto could still be sued - with a good chance at a judgment - for breach of contract. I wonder what the controlling jurisdiction is? The team is based in Luxembourg, so I hear.
I'm quite sure Astana has a contract with the UCI stating that its contracts with riders will conform to UCI regulations.
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Originally Posted by bbattle View Post
Any other Spanish riders on Garmin? Alberto seems a bit insecure; he'd want some compatriots.
Amazing how this myth of insecurity, planted by three pundits on Versus, keeps on living. An alternative reading of the same evidence: With only his brother for counsel, taciturn Alberto Contador upholds professionalism, plays his cards close, and wins tour despite receiving only dubious support from his team.
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Chris Horner reported that Alberto demanded a compatriot be included on the TdF team. One could hardly call him a pundit.
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Bruyneel said Lance wanted Horner and Contador wanted somebody else, while the Kazakhs wanted 2 Kazakh riders. Johan picked none of the above...
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Originally Posted by Laggard View Post
The Giro and Vuelta aren't real tours.
very funny!..... It was a joke right?
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