Tom Pedale

I remember when this story came out..it wasn't a big deal then..I think it's a big stretch from giving a donation to UCI and assuming that this action is somehow going to give you or your team favorable treatment when it comes to drug testing. For that to be the case, you'd have to assume that most of the UCI connected with drug testing would be on Lance's payroll. If you know anything about human nature..that's a next to impossible plan to implement.

Dubbayoo

IIRC that money was used to purchase some sort of blood testing machine, unless he gave on two separate occasions.

Because it's not fair to assume it's true, based on their complete disconnection from any doping cases juxtaposed to Floyd's four years of non stop lies.

superjim

It appears to me that Floyd Landis is a broken man. At the very bottom of a long and spiralling decent. I feel bad for him in a way, he made some awful decisions (I mean, really bad choices) but it appears that those decisions came back and hit him like a freight train before backing up and running him over again twice.

Desperate men do desperate things, in this instance he has either lied in desperation, or feels angry enough to bring down the whole show with him- after all, if he's not getting away with it, then why should anyone else?

One thing I know for sure, is that nobody other than Floyd Landis and the men he has implicated know the truth (or level thereof) contained within these accusations. Certainly no-one on this board knows any better (despite how witty and sharp they think they're being when they mock those who choose to believe Armstrong hasnt doped).

Oh, and one other thing, this Dr Brent W Kay should be struck off immediately. Its quite apparent that rather than helping Landis, he has manipulated the situation (or attempted to do so) for ultimate financial gain (I dont think my doctor has ever been present in salary negotiations). Seems Landis has been given some terrible advice when he should have been getting some help.

It seems to be a trend that when (for want of a better word) celebrities are on the downward spiral, vultures appear that would rather pick the carcus than help. IF these allegations are true then anyone who had any interest in the wellbeing of Floyd Landis (personally and career) could have advised him a lot better.

Tom Pedale

+1 From his recent behavior, I think he's getting desperate. He needs to be watched..lines may not be crossed..but why take the risk?

bellweatherman

Actually, Armstrong did tested. More than once. Can you say EPO? Can you say retroactive testing? 1999. Check it.

Face it. Armstrong is a dirty lying scumbag. Nothing he does will ever be clean. He can't win clean, and he deserves no amount of the money that he is making off of people's sympathies, especially cancer survivors. What a shame and a low-life he is for misleading these people for his own gain.

ultraman6970

Time ago i started a thread saying that maybe Lance retire himself to get 100% clean in every aspect and then comeback, some mentioned i was nutz but at this point probably i was right. now freaking Landis doesn't know what to do, poor guy.

As a note to the margin, the chicken was not even banned for doping (because they were not even sure) and the guy looks like is getting rough times in second category circuits. Anybody knows what is he doing?

$ick3nin.vend3t

+1.

Landis allegations must be viewed with skepticism, after previously denying what he did. An unreliable witness whose present allegations add up to perjury if true.

Caad 8

First he lied that he didn't dope, now he says he did dope. and now he says others were doping. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

$ick3nin.vend3t

Rasmussen never actually got caught for doping. He may not have been were he should have been, and he may have been associated with a bad doctor, but as far as I have heard it was all speculation.

He initially agreed a 1 year contract to ride for the Miche team, in the Tour de San Luis.

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Hezz

This only goes to prove that Armstrong and crew get preferential treatment. If this occured to any other bike racer he would be put on temporary suspension. I know that Landis' integrity is suspect but he was in a position better than anyone to know about Lance during the Postal days. I also think that Lance may have used his influence to keep Landis's team out of the TOC. The only thing is that Landis is so pissed off that he is using his knowledge in a manipulative way which makes him seem less sincere. But one thing that does make sense is the UCI bought off by Lance connection. It should be illegal for any bike racer to donate to the UCI. That's the most corrupt thing I have ever heard of. That simply allows rich bike racers to buy influence under the guise that they are helping cycling.

Quel

Dr Kay is the co-founder of OUCH, who is the sponsor for....OUCH cycling. Though apparently he's known Floyd for a lot longer than that. So it's his long time doctor, but also his ultimate sponsor since early 2009. Sounds like a really odd and complicated relationship. So I wouldn't say it's manipulation because Dr. Kay was at Floyd's salary negotiations (since he's the boss), but who knows whats going on there.

$ick3nin.vend3t

Unfortunately Floyd's testimony will be evidence.

That will go down well.

Hezz

He might be crazy with anger but that doesn't make him completely nutz.

Quel

It's just so bizarre. Floyd could have a perjury charge coming up against him because of his announcement. IANAL, but also seems like some of the people that donated to his defense fund could sue as well. All for what? He has his word, but no proof outside of his word against someone else's. Seems like a lot to risk for little to no benefit.

Hezz

Which is completely predictable.

kleinboogie

On a semi-related note, does anyone else find it ironic that Amgen makes EPO?

Tom Pedale

Obviously you're not straddling the fence when it comes to opining about Lance. That Budweiser ad was probably the last straw!

Hezz

It's hard to know how it will pan out. We know Floyd's credibility is low but if he really has a lot of first hand knowledge and his testimony has a lot of detail, it will be convincing for many.

Tom Pedale

Armstrong & crew get preferential treatment because he finished 3rd in last years TdF and the Tour organization feels that his team can compete at a world class level. Last time I looked this 3rd spot podium place was still his since under the rules there still has been no positive test to disqualify him. There has been however a lot of unsubstantiated "blowin' in the wind" statements (with zero proof) about how Lance doesn't race clean, bribes UCI, yadda, etc. yadda.

If some irrevocable proof surfaces that Monsieur Armstrong has doped his way to TdeF wins or any of his other accomplishments, I will humbly
eat crow and quietly go away.

So far though..you got nothing..

tsohg

+1
Floyd is on tilt, and it's a sad meltdown.

I believe what he said is generally the truth; but it's clear he is desperately trying to be relevant in pro cycling again.

Allez3

Those who have no response but insult generally don't have a leg to stand on.

So how was your day Floyd?

Allez3

Probably what Landis is hoping for.

That's two of us, and I don't expect we'll be eating crow on this. Ever.

bellweatherman

FACT: Armstrong is NOT the most tested athlete worldwide
FACT: Armstrong DID test positive for banned drugs. Synthetic EPO being one of them.
FACT: Armstrong DID donate money for "research" purposes to the UCI

Allez3

Thank you for sharing.

If he is not the most tested, he's pretty damn close.
Yes, he tested positive for Corticoids in 1999 and was cleared.
Yes, he did donate money to the UCI for research.

Now, run along.

FogVilleLad

Agreed. And what a contrast to Armstrong and Hincapie. Both are performing pretty much at the level that would be expected of them.